M28AI Devlog (v156)
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v62 Update
M28 should play noticeably differently on 5km and some 10km maps 1v1 following this update:- Introduced new 't1 spam' mode, where M28 will try really hard to avoid getting a T2 mex so it can invest the mass into T1 spam or factory upgrades instead. It'll need some refinement but it at least doesn't seem like a significant drop in competitiveness for AI games
18 misc changes, including:
- making 'short range' land units more likely to attack the enemy instead of waiting for the enemy to die to longer range units (which would in some cases lead to a GC staying back so that a lone MML could try and kill the enemy T2 PD)
- Adjusting logic for getting engineers to cancel their orders to reclaim so they'll try and resume their order once done if they were heading towards a mex, and making it less likely an engineer follows up 1 reclaim order with another for reclaim far away
- Improved M28's logic for thinking it has mass to spare in high AiX scenarios (e.g. previously if all the M28 players on a team combined had 4k mass income per second they'd ignore most low mass conditions which could lead to aircraft carriers spamming torp bombers)
- Added basic build logic for the tempest
Acknowledgements
- Zhanghm18 – Testing different scenario’s impact on memory usage
- Sladow – Tips on how to approach a 5km game (suggesting to stay at T1 the entire game)
Trophies
No change to the current holders from their defeat of v59 M28: Radde (Sladow trophy); and Radde, Mhad and GhillieWolf (Radde trophy) -
I'm seeing an issue where the AI can't decide what type of shield to build. It will queue up one type and immediately replace it with another type indefinitely. This keeps a number of engineers occupied (50-100?) I watched this happen for at least 10 minutes.
These are both tier 4 shields, but from different mod packs. Nuclear Repulsor Shields, and Wyvern Battlepack. Wyvern is no longer in the vault, but generally works fine.
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@bsee Thanks, do you have a replay ID and timestamp? Also do the shields from those mods have a larger footprint than normal shields?
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@maudlin27 The Wyvern shield does have a larger footprint.
I suspect you can't load the replay since Wyvern isn't in the vault anymore. However the replay is https://replay.faforever.com/21588120 and the issue starts at 21:45 at the very left edge of the map.
Another small thing is that engineers tasked to the naval factories spend a lot of time driving to switch between the assisted factories. They might be more productive if they stayed on their current factory.
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@maudlin27 You can try this replay: https://replay.faforever.com/21595213
We updated Wyvern to v5, which is uploaded here: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/362/wyvern-battle-pack-v5-for-all-game-versions
At 18 minutes the Cybran AI tries building an experimental surrounded by shields between the 2 AI bases. But it's alternating between experimental types. For this match the Wyvern T4 shield was disabled, but it was alternating between village & city shields which also have a size difference.
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@bsee Thanks, I expect the size difference is likely to be what is causing problems, I'll add a fix in the next release to see if it resolves it
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v63 Update
Main changes this update are completing my working through of the SC campaign missions with M28 as a hostile / allied AI, and the introduction of a new AiX option for if using M28 to take over the campaign AI (where the AI will receive a modifier to its build rate and/or resource rate).- 4 Bugfixes, including relating to the use of mods that add shield units
- 11 Campaign related changes mostly relating to error messages that would appear from testing on SC Cybran missions 1-6
Acknowledgements
- Zhanghm18 and bsee - Noting issues with M28's new shield template logic when custom shield mod units are used
(No new trophy awards)
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@maudlin27 I'm still seeing the issue. We disabled all shields with a differently sized footprint. The engineer is toggling between ED5, ED6, a village shield, and a cybran rapid fire.
Here's the log from the host: game_21602429.log
You can see in this replay at 15:20: https://replay.faforever.com/21602429
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@bsee Thanks, the previous version fixed the issue with the different sized shields but there are a couple of separate issues still present reviewing your replay (the first I hadn't realised would happen is that enginers can end up not building anything if they have multiple T3 shields available to build, the second is that it can try and build experimental level shields instead of a scathis). Both will be fixed in the next release.
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v64 Update
- Improved how M28 acts as a teammate with non-M28 players, so it should be much less likely to build all over a teammate's base
- 5 Fixes/adjustments to M28's late-game shielding logic, including fixing compatibility with certain mods that add additional units
- Make M28 less likely to attack land scouts with its ACU early-game
- 2 Changes based on a Sladow replay (M28 should be more likely to send an engineer to high value reclaim in a zone ahead of smaller reclaim, and should be less likely to overbuild AA buildings in response to bombers)
- 9 other tweaks and fixes
Acknowledgements
- Fearghal - Replay and highlighting M28 building on a (non-M28) teammate's base
- Bsee - Replay and highlighting M28's issues with certain unit mods late-game
- HintHunter - Replay showing M28 messing up its build order due to a land scout
- Sladow - Replay and tips for M28's 1v1 5km approach
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@maudlin27 thanks for the shielding logic fix! Now we're seeing mid to late game a large group of engineers set to assist a single one, which has no build orders. This results in 100+ engineers not doing anything.
Two replays: https://replay.faforever.com/21622277 and https://replay.faforever.com/21622977
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@ender06 Unfortunately both replays desync really early on for me so I can't reproduce. Having said that, it may not be a bug, especially if M28 is low on mass/energy or has run out of places to build, as it tries to assign some engineers to assist shields (increasing the amounts based on how many arti and novax the enemy team has)
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This might be a better replay (fewer mods): https://replay.faforever.com/21630530
By 19 minutes you can see M28 has plenty of mass & power, but most engineer are idle. I see a paragon queued up but for some reason the engineer just isn't starting it.Unrelated note: Does it actively avoid building saucers? It seems to build every other T4 but I haven't seen a saucer in a long time.
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@bsee Thanks, one issue is if it tries building its late-game template near the map edge - I'll have it fixed in the next release.
The other issue is I'm guessing a FA game engine bug where a unit can be given an order to move and build, yet doesn't move - a human player would just give a slightly different order, whereas the AI tries the same order again and again. I've added a workaround for the scenario in that replay, which hopefully will resolve most instances (as I already had a workaround present for the main engineer logic, but my 'shield template' logic is a special case).Re Czars there are lots of reasons why it might not build them. Generally, I'd expect it to try and build them if it has air control, hasn't moved into the 'build T3 arti/game ender' stage (which is more likely at the high mass income levels in your game), hasn't built lots of experimentals already, and has space to build them. It is intentionally less likely to build them than Seraphim is to build Ahwassas though (mainly because Ahwassas are far better than Czars, even moreso for an AI)
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v65 Update
A mixture of bugfixes, small adjustments, and a bit more personality for M28:- 6 Bugfixes, including with M28 trying to build its special shield template on the edge of a map (and failing to build half of it), and fixing an issue where M28 would think it was defeated if a non-M28 teammate died
- 4 Early-game adjustments, such as delaying when M28 upgrades to T2 when it decides it wants to spam T1 land
- 5 Changes based on replays from Sladow, including fixing an oversight with land scout production that meant they would be far less likely to be built
- Added a wide variety of messages for when M28 is killed or wins the game
Acknowledgements
- Bsee replay highlighting an issue with M28’s late-game shielding where the location is near the map edge
- Sladow replays and noting issues such as M28’s lack of land scouts
- !MarLo – confirming that I likely can’t get Campaign videos/audios to play due to how FAF loads campaign files.
Trophies
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v66 Update
Hotfix for a number of bugs identified in a replay, with 10 fixes and other changes made, including:- Fixed several bugs causing engineers to idle late-game
- Fixed major bug introduced in v65 to M28's asf/intie logic that would cause them to stop moving
- Fixed an oversight with M28's scouting logic that would effectively cause spy planes/air scouts to get stuck 'scouting' a mountain ridge and never scout the enemy base
- Adjustments to what experimental gets built for Aeon, hopefully improving the decision making after a paragon is built and making a Czar more likely to be built
- MAA should be more cautious when the enemy has a stronger nearby land force.
Acknowledgements
- Lancer Dudo – Noting they fought against M28 when posting their replay for review; the replay highlighted a number of bugs with M28, one of which (its air scouting logic) has presumably been present since the original release of M28.
Trophies
No changes to the current trophy holders from v59: Radde (Sladow trophy); and Radde, Mhad and GhillieWolf (Radde trophy). -
v67 Update
Another small hotfix update, involving 10 fixes/other changes, including:- Fixed an issue with the Holy Raid custom campaign mission where an M28 teammate would reclaim the Cybran labs you were meant to protect (causing the mission to fail)
- Fixed a bug with M28's decision on what experimental to build (introduced in v66) that could cause its logic to fail in some cases
- Added a further workaround for nuke launchers to try and reduce cases where a yolona oss ends up idling forever
- Slight increase in start and end of game messages
Acknowledgements
- QAI3000 – Replay highlighting bug with M28 reclaiming objectives on the Holy Raid campaign mission.
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M28AI commy did not build ... just stood there. UEF and Aeon tested and failed.
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@aware Do you have a replay ID?
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@aware Strange. I just ran the test and there was no problem. Maybe you should update your game gamedata?
