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The Problems With The UEF - Part 3 (The Parashield)

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    ComradeStryker @Rodimus_Prime
    last edited by Aug 9, 2022, 9:27 PM

    @warreaper001

    Isn't one of the lore points of Aeon that they have really good shields, since they originally copied the Seraphim?

    I believe they were shown "The Way" (great name xD) which was a teaching / religion of sorts, no?
    Their designs reflect their mutual relationship but I don't know anything about shield lore.

    ~ Stryker

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      ComradeStryker @Turinturambar
      last edited by Aug 9, 2022, 9:53 PM

      @farmseatmushroom

      Ergo: in this example UEF profiles far more than aeon from mobile shields, meaning there is no reason at all for shields to have "equal" stats.

      Fair point. However, percies are slower, Harbs can catch up or even dodge an incoming Percy shot.

      With proper micro and mass for mass on Percies vs Harbs, (Harbs are ~30% cheaper)
      I believe Harbs would win. Percies deal high alpha damage, but against multiple targets, and long fire cooldown, Harbs would catch up an can outmaneuver them, at least, that's what happens to me often.

      I mean, it could go either way, depending on micro, obviously.

      ~ Stryker

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        veteranashe
        last edited by Aug 9, 2022, 10:54 PM

        The dualist has a video on t3 bots, I believe the harbs won it, but this is without micro.

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          ComradeStryker @veteranashe
          last edited by Aug 10, 2022, 3:27 AM

          @veteranashe

          The dualist has a video on t3 bots, I believe the harbs won it, but this is without micro.

          Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they won. More targets are not good for Percies, lol.


          ~ Stryker

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            Turinturambar Balance Team @ComradeStryker
            last edited by Aug 10, 2022, 6:54 AM

            @comradestryker said in The Problems With The UEF - Part 3 (The Parashield):

            With proper micro and mass for mass on Percies vs Harbs, (Harbs are ~30% cheaper)
            I believe Harbs would win.

            As you state in your prior posts, youre a 1k. If you actually want to convince anyone, especially when disagreein with in points that invalidate your argumentation you should bring actual evidence.
            "I believe xxx" is a 100% worthless argument.

            Forumpros doing balance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wTcguJZh3A .
            When a canis player remembers to build more than 3 units https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hjp8xJHuyA .

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              veteranashe
              last edited by Aug 10, 2022, 4:05 PM

              I believe a long time ago it was thought aeon was very power hungry because of the obsidian sheild and their t2 sheild tank and without power it's hard for aeon to compete. It might be that their sheild tank has to be lower e maintenance for balance reasons and messing with the parasheild could break this, idk I'm just some guy.

              I don't think we should be really messing with this.

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                ComradeStryker @ComradeStryker
                last edited by ComradeStryker Aug 12, 2022, 4:37 AM Aug 12, 2022, 4:17 AM

                @farmseatmushroom

                As you state in your prior posts, youre a 1k. If you actually want to convince anyone, especially when disagreein with in points that invalidate your argumentation you should bring actual evidence.
                "I believe xxx" is a 100% worthless argument.

                @comradestryker said in The Problems With The UEF - Part 3 (The Parashield):

                With this mod, we can now visualize most of the changes (as well as upcoming ones) I have proposed with units, abilities, and structures. Now, we can all gather data together! This mod is still a work-in-progress and most stats are subject to change due to adjustments and tweaks.

                I already offered what I could, here. I showcased stats and numbers. However, anything I don't know is concluded and based on my experiences with FAF.


                You are more than welcome to go fetch the actual evidence and draw your own conclusions.
                After all, that is why I shared the mod.

                Though, everything is subject to change. 😁

                Thanks for your understanding, sir.


                ~ Stryker

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                  ComradeStryker @veteranashe
                  last edited by Aug 12, 2022, 4:23 AM

                  @veteranashe

                  I believe a long time ago it was thought aeon was very power hungry because of the obsidian sheild and their t2 sheild tank and without power it's hard for aeon to compete. It might be that their sheild tank has to be lower e maintenance for balance reasons and messing with the parasheild could break this, idk I'm just some guy.

                  I don't think we should be really messing with this.

                  The Obsidian and the Shield tank are one and the same. Currently - The Obsidian's shield is very cheap to run. It costs a whopping -10 E. Yeah, 10 energy. And you're gaining 1,500 SHP. If anything, it should be increased, but that's a topic for a different discussion.

                  The point of this discussion was to show how inefficient the Parashield is.


                  ~ Stryker

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                    Sprouto @ComradeStryker
                    last edited by Aug 12, 2022, 12:12 PM

                    @comradestryker said in The Problems With The UEF - Part 3 (The Parashield):

                    The Obsidian and the Shield tank are one and the same. Currently - The Obsidian's shield is very cheap to run. It costs a whopping -10 E. Yeah, 10 energy. And you're gaining 1,500 SHP. If anything, it should be increased, but that's a topic for a different discussion.

                    The point of this discussion was to show how inefficient the Parashield is.

                    It's hard to have a 'balance' discussion when there's no firm ground to stand on. Strangely, no one wants to tackle that subject.

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                      FtXCommando
                      last edited by Aug 12, 2022, 12:18 PM

                      It was tackled. It’s called the pinned guidelines.

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