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    • ResistanceR Offline
      Resistance
      last edited by

      A quick survey!
      Feel free to put down some ideas of civilian layouts that you'd like to see in-game,make sure you answer those questions,as it states:
      1)How large would like the civilians to be?
      2)Are you interested in the aesthetic part or mass wise balanced or both?
      3)What kind of defenses should the civilian bases have?(tech,type)

      Thanks in advance!

      queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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      • SpikeyNoobS Offline
        SpikeyNoob Global Moderator
        last edited by SpikeyNoob

        Fair warning i am only 1200.

        1. For 1v1s its nice to have small undefended bases that are just like cool reclaim. I dislike the large defended bases as it adds another variable i need to think about, like if i want to kill the pd to get the mass or whatever.
        2. Both but mostly the mass, as long as both sides have equal access it seems fair to me.
        3. I think of it needs to be defended t1 pd is best. With t1 pd u can either build a bomber or a few artys then get the mass which is not a huge amount of apm. However if there is air def and t2 pd u would have to build more/specialised units to deal with it. Which if u dont know the map or are just bad like me could result in overspending on mass that was not worth it.
          Ik u probably are looking more for higher rated players but i figured a lower rated opinion might help as well.
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        • FtXCommandoF Offline
          FtXCommando
          last edited by

          How are you supposed to answer these questions without knowing the map that the civilians would be on?

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          • S Offline
            Sheikah
            last edited by

            Rezy-Noob has volunteered to help build out the collection of civilian layouts used by the map generator so I believe that is at least one angle he is approaching it from and why the question is generic.

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            • FtXCommandoF Offline
              FtXCommando
              last edited by FtXCommando

              1. The classic lower bound in the distribution of civ bases should be something like:
                The typical 2-4 pd (and maybe 2 aa) protecting some generic 50 mass buildings or some small reclaim piles.

              That's like 1000-1500 mass.

              The upper side is something like Syrtis Major with pgens, a gateway, and some t2 mexes. That's close to 12000-15000 mass.

              1. The gameplay function is always the priority. Doesn't mean that gives license to make totally stupid bases that have PD thrown around sporadically. No reason both of these shouldn't be considered.

              2. T1 defenses or T2 defenses that have no radar.

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              • ResistanceR Offline
                Resistance
                last edited by Resistance

                as Sheikah has already mentioned,i want to improve the amount of civs on map gen and maybe some mappers will find it useful or interesting,there is no designed map size/biome/reclaim preset.
                different opinions would help build up a good preset balance for the player base.

                queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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                • ValkiV Offline
                  Valki
                  last edited by Valki

                  T2 (or T3 in crazy map) artillery with no sight or radar near it... except a radar or a few structures near an expansion. You need to kill the sight or the artillery to claim the expansion.

                  1. Artillery site is small but has some fluff, some vehicles to carry ammo, a few military looking structures - all with no or limited sight.
                  2. Aesthetic part mostly, but a T2 arty is a good reclaim target that must be balanced.
                  3. The defenses should be minor, I'd hate a single engineer to take this base on - but if the terrain renders the PD ineffective vs. tanks at max range then that would be great.
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                  • NeytronN Offline
                    Neytron
                    last edited by

                    1. regular xD
                    2. I think there must be a lot of mass in them
                    3. since there is a lot of mass in them, a lot of protection is needed
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                    • BlackYpsB Offline
                      BlackYps
                      last edited by

                      Some unguarded low number (maybe 2-4) of civilian buildings, maybe with some walls, would be nice. More for the asthetics than anything else.

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                      • archsimkatA Offline
                        archsimkat
                        last edited by

                        @Sheikah can you draw decals alongside the civilian bases? If so, there's cool stuff you could do with aeon bases (like the princess' base in red flag).

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                        • JipJ Offline
                          Jip
                          last edited by Jip

                          You can make decal presets, export them from the GPG editor, merge them with the _script file as local variables and place them via code. I've got a script that places them as you'd see them in the GPG editor, since there is a weird offset.

                          A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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                          • ResistanceR Offline
                            Resistance
                            last edited by

                            seems like i need GPG editor as well then,i am going to surely take a look at the decals and then i can try importing some surely,there're some presets in the #mapgen-general,feel free to take a look the presets and pm the feedback or you can write it back on this forum page so I can gather more information.

                            queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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                            • S Offline
                              Sheikah
                              last edited by

                              @archsimkat it is possible. the only thing holding it back would be that I would need a separate file that describes where they should be placed relative to something else which at the moment I do not have an extractor for but could make one. also would just need to define a file format to handle it all properly

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                              • RobustnessR Offline
                                Robustness
                                last edited by Robustness

                                1 and 3 - Not higher than T1 level and no more than 3-4 buildings or structures (I would like to see something similar as on most of my maps where I used them)
                                2 - just for the sake of aesthetics

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                                • arma473A Offline
                                  arma473 @Resistance
                                  last edited by

                                  I would like to see a large compound, protected by ravagers and SAMs, with only t1 radar, and a duke in the middle. 20 landed interceptors.

                                  If you can fly in, aggro the interceptors, and lead them to the enemy base, the civilians will have vision of potential targets, so the duke can start firing at them.

                                  Also, there should be at least one non-seraphim quantum gateway so you have the opportunity to make RAS SACUs. Put it at a 90 degree angle just because you can.

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                                  • Anachronism_A Offline
                                    Anachronism_ @Resistance
                                    last edited by Anachronism_

                                    1. highly variable with a middle-ground in the ballpark of what is commonly found on mapgen maps atm
                                    2. both
                                    3. highly variable but mostly undefended or on the easier-to-take end of the spectrum (any type that doesn't prevent the player from reasonably playing is fine in theory though (ie: I'd probably avoid having a hostile mavor on the map at game start : P) - variety is the spice of life though : ))

                                    pfp credit to gieb

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