New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements
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I don't know what more information there is to gather. Seems like FtX has gathered a lot of information about what map pools people want, what tournaments people want, and figured out how to increase activity at all levels with league and division systems. Most people have bad ideas so they should simply be dismissed. Most people just play FAF and don't think about how it can be improved and do not have the knowledge to know what should be done, so there is no reason to ask them. Even if you did ask them the developers only work on what they want anyway.
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There is a lot more information to gather... With you being 1 of the 23 total people with 1800+ 1v1 ladder rating, I can understand how you can feel well taken care of by FTX, ThomasHiatt. He focuses too disproportionately on select parts of FAF while disvaluing much of the much larger community, with its thousands of lower and mid-rated players. Also, low rating does not automatically mean disinterest or low-quality opinion in what's desirable for playing FAF. In fact, the 13 1v1 ladder players with the most 1v1 ladder games are all below 1300 rating and have more than 6500 ladder games each, according to the leaderboards. The vast majority of FAF players have <1300 rating.
In regards to what more information is there to gather, there can be surveys/polls/open-minded discussions on tons of things beyond what FTX does. I literally just made a post about 2 hours ago in this very thread that listed some dated poll ideas. There are numerous other things to poll and otherwise gather more data on, such as more holistic map pool preferences, tournament desires, transparency issues, and player retention-related ideas, among many others...
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@blackyps
that's simple.
Morax : make more tournaments for average players!
FtX : no, need more tournaments for top players with new rules! -
And how did you come to that conclusion?
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@randomwheelchair because morax is interested to sponsor noob tournaments. FtX most of his time spends on the top player tournaments.
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Yea stupid ftx WASTES his time on boring top lvl tourneys.
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Good to know that only othe player councillor can host tournaments
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To voice my personal experience regarding the candidates...
When I entered FAF, I clearly remember the FtX dude with a mongolian icon answering all my beginner questions on #gameplay-and-training channel
At this point, I didn't even know that I should ctrl-K to quit, but Player Councilor FtX helped me. He was the guy that was always on the Discord chat answering questions. No matter how thoughtless or obvious the answers were, FtX is there a great deal of the time answering questions.
That's a guy that cares about the community because HE IS in the community. Before this election, I would have never had an idea of who the fuck is Francias, Morax or Emperor Penguin.
I know FtX isn't some saint but god damm he does a good job, I prefer having a hard working dude that shows up than some randoms appearing out of no where promising me to make FAF perfect and magically change everything for better (but only IF they get elected).
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@spikeynoob said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
@FtXCommando and @Morax i have one last question on this topic. One of u will lose, of you are that one will you still contribute in these areas even if u are not PC? Are you willing to commit to any specific responsibilities?
Waiting to hear @FtXCommando reply to this... then I’ll respond to other posts.
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The thing about being PC is you work with what you get. The nice thing about not being PC is being able to choose what others get from you. I do not intend to give to those that did not reciprocate. Those that collaborated with me can always count on me when they need me. Call it a gift economy.
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Saying that makes it seem like you won't commit to anything if not elected FTX. It makes it seem like you don't want to help out the general community for the good of FAF, unless you are given power, FTX. That seems concerning...
By comparison, both Morax and I will continue to contribute to FAF (not just to our friends/etc) regardless of the election, as we want to contribute to FAF for the good of FAF/the community/its future/etc.
pfp credit to gieb
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@katharsas said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
Promotion councillor is for outwards communication.
Pretty sure our current promo councillor has said there is no point in outwards communication because we have a bad retention rate. Would love to hear about external FAF promo work if I’m wrong, though.
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@emperor_penguin said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
Saying that makes it seem like you don't want to help out the general community for the good of FAF, unless you are given power, FTX. That seems concerning...
By comparison, both Morax and I will continue to contribute to FAF (not just to our friends/etc) regardless of the election, as we want to contribute to FAF for the good of FAF/the community/its future/etc.
You’re running to replace me with zero work related to me and have blatantly stated you refuse to work anywhere I am. Don’t try to convert your inability to replace me into a failure on my end.
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I brought this up in the discord, but I've been asked to post this here.
Ftx's plans are well documented and I'm interested in the specific changes to the tournament scene that @Morax and @Emperor_Penguin would bring. Namely,
- Would you continue to support the Ladder League Invitationals and LotS (and what specific changes would you make to them, if any)?
- Exactly what new events would you personally run? You've said you would run new events for lower rated players and Morax has talked about a rating restricted LotS parallel event. I'm interested in specifically what sort of events you are planning on running and how frequently would you run them.
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@ftxcommando said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
You’re running to replace me with zero work related to me and have blatantly stated you refuse to work anywhere I am. Don’t try to convert your inability to replace me into a failure on my end.
Lies.
I have repeatedly and extensively sought out user feedback (with discussions, surveys, polls, etc) and took an activist-type stance on behalf of much of the community that you tend to disvalue so much. I actually try to find out what would improve FAF and related for lots of players/FAF communities and try to foster constructive communication and contribution, which is more like what a proper PC should do imo than your method of catering to a small minority while disvaluing and dismissing majority opinions... I have also put a lot of effort into learning gameplay/variance/aesthetic/etc criteria for evaluating maps/ladder/tmm better, with particular focuses on what types/styles of maps/gameplay/etc are desirable for different FAF communities/player-types. That is a large aspect of the sort of stuff a good Player Councilor should do imo, and you dismiss/neglect a lot of it. And that's in addition to my contributions with related things like making maps, working on map gen, and teaching noobs how to improve at FAF...
Also, I didn't 'refuse to work anywhere you are'; that's blatantly false as well. I've avoided working on certain things involving you in favor of working on other things that don't involve you as I (like many others) have found working with you to be unpleasant (to say the least), FTX... You even mentioned working with me on something earlier in this thread, yet you claim that I refuse to work anywhere you are... Be consistent; don't lie!
pfp credit to gieb
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@swkoll sorry but your questions are off topic. This thread is for personal jabs only.
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@inspektor_kot said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
@randomwheelchair because morax is interested to sponsor noob tournaments. FtX most of his time spends on the top player tournaments.
Then why don't we see him sponsoring/organizing noob tournaments right now?
frick snoops!
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@askaholic Damn, my bad, I'll ask a follow up: what is the best dirt you have on your fellow candidates? Bonus points if it derails productive conversation even further.
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@emperor_penguin said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
I have repeatedly and extensively sought out user feedback (with discussions, surveys, polls, etc)
No evidence of feedback or development suggestions made from said feedback. I do know you have made, like what? 3 polls about full share or share until death in tmm now and each one has had full share be the dominant result? Funny how you never mention the result and just keep making a new poll about it when the issue comes up, though.
and took an activist-type stance on behalf of much of the community
Activism requires action. Name the actions.
that you tend to disvalue so much.
Too busy actually doing actions based on addressing various stresspoints on FAF.
I actually try to find out what would improve FAF and related for lots of players/FAF communities and try to foster constructive communication and contribution, which is more like what a proper PC should do imo than your method of catering to a small minority while disvaluing and dismissing majority opinions...
lol, there is almost nobody on FAF more directly connected to random players than me. I've directly led to like half a dozen dudes into continuing to climb the ladder of contribution on FAF. Let's see, I kept Jagged and Petric motivated to continue helping out in balance. I made Hint and Javi trainers and now Javi has even begun helping out in promotional work. As soon as anybody expressed interest in doing a development adjustment (ladder rating brackets, veto system) I gave them all the resources they would need to contribute as well as who to contact. I've pushed several casters into continuing to do their work by giving them games to cast, working with them to expose themselves on FAFLive, and generally keeping them informed on where to promote themselves on FAF. I can keep going, really.
I find what would improve FAF. I find people. I get them to either help FAF or keep helping FAF. I work my hardest to keep these people and grow FAF more and more as a service.
I have also put a lot of effort into learning gameplay/variance/aesthetic/etc criteria for evaluating maps/ladder/tmm better,
Yes, my system.
with particular focuses on what types/styles of maps/gameplay/etc are desirable for different FAF communities/player-types. That is a large aspect of the sort of stuff a good Player Councilor should do imo, and you dismiss/neglect a lot of it.
I am perfectly capable of determining map complexity. Whenever a new player talks to me on FAF I always ask
- Have you tried out a matchmaker
- What did you think of the maps
- Did you think they were too hard
The vast majority say the map pools are great and they have no problem with map complexity.
And that's in addition to my contributions with related things like making maps,
Maps considered not viable for competitive play
working on map gen
Not a PC duty
and teaching noobs how to improve at FAF...
Never seen you do it in 3 years.
Also, I didn't 'refuse to work anywhere you are'; that's blatantly false as well.
You said you did not train in public because I am in public.
"Further, I am not one of YOUR trainers, but I do train people. As I've said, dealing with you is often unpleasant."
Means you aren't a publicly recognized trainer because you refuse to deal with me.
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@emperor_penguin said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
I have repeatedly and extensively sought out user feedback (with discussions, surveys, polls, etc) and took an activist-type stance on behalf of much of the community that you tend to disvalue so much.
Yes, ftx has also run polls regarding what kind of maps people would like to play in ladder. Very few people voted, and the results were pretty much useless.
while disvaluing and dismissing majority opinions...
I keep seeing this and I can't understand why this is inherently a bad thing. A lot of the ideas people give are just plain bad and should be dismissed "for the good of FAF".
I have also put a lot of effort into learning gameplay/variance/aesthetic/etc criteria for evaluating maps/ladder/tmm better
Yeah ftx has a designated team for this, what is your point exactly? I know there's been an outrage on some of the maps archsimkat has put in the ladder pool recently, and I dont know what system he's following, but he's already receiving help to bring better maps to the pool.
with particular focuses on what types/styles of maps/gameplay/etc are desirable for different FAF communities/player-types. That is a large aspect of the sort of stuff a good Player Councilor should do imo, and you dismiss/neglect a lot of it.
You seem to really want to satisfy everyone on faf, but this is simply just not possible. Some people like one pool, while others will hate it. In what groups of "FAF communities/player-types" would you split the community up, anyway? And would you let them decide what maps to play? You do realise this will A. make it harder to match with players in matchmaking, since your preferences may not overlap/be similar and B. allow people to farm rating on maps they're good at and create unrealistic competitive leaderboards?
Also, saying ftx ignores these things is extremely ignorant. Like I said there have been polls and they were useless. The lower rated players would just flood the polls and vote 1 star on 20km maps and 5 stars on 5km maps. Does this represent the entire community? No. Yet, ftx implemented a system that made it so that lower rated players have to play less 20km and more 5km, whereas higher rated players get to play more 20km and relatively less 5km.
So far the only real issues with ftx as a PC that people have brought up are:
- Lack of lower rated tournaments, which is due to a lack of TD's, not something he can be blamed for. If you want lower rated tournaments, host some.
- Unfriendliness. I don't struggle with this myself, but I can see why people would think this way. Besides this, ftx has done a great deal of work for FAF. People mention to add an additional councillor role who would interact with players and this might not be a bad idea, but it is not a reason to remove/replace someone from his position when he's done so much good for FAF.
frick snoops!
