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    Aeon gun upgrade needs a rework

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    • J Offline
      JaggedAppliance Balance Team
      last edited by

      Aeon first range is honestly the best acu upgrade of any faction.

      https://www.youtube.com/c/jaggedappliance

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      • maudlin27M Online
        maudlin27
        last edited by

        Aeon ACU has 1k less health than UEF acu yet the same regen rate, so not like they're starting from an equal footing

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        • waffelzNoobW Offline
          waffelzNoob @Sainse
          last edited by

          @Sainse

          1. Aeon (double) shield + advanced range is easily the strongest combat ACU for its cost. It is better vs percivals, bricks, harbinger, othuum, and T4s than double nano splash or cloak laser are.
          2. The speed gun can later be replaced by omni sensor array, adding up to 3 combat upgrades anyway
          3. 3k e is like 20 seconds of e production for that stage of the game (assuming you don't pause literally everything else). Having a gun upgrade 20 seconds before your opponent can be pretty devastating.

          frick snoops!

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          • S Offline
            Sainse Balance Team
            last edited by Sainse

            @waffelzNoob

            1. Cloak mazer is way better, more expensive but definitely better. Saying it’s worse is insane.
            2. Basically no one makes sensors already yet they’re gonna be nerfed more in the next patch.
            3. Producing extra 3k energy is easy, producing an extra ACU slot is impossible.
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            • S Offline
              Sainse Balance Team @Sainse
              last edited by Sainse

              @Sainse said in Aeon gun upgrade needs a rework:

              1. Basically no one makes sensors already yet they’re gonna be nerfed more in the next patch.

              It's funny to downvote this/upvote the opposite for people who didn't make sensors upgrade in TMM ever once a year

              Waffelz - 2 times speed, 0 times sensors
              Jagged - 2 times speed, 0 times sensor
              Skrat - 6 times speed, 0 times sensor

              16 minutes is the best time to make speed but not even 25 minutes is good enough to switch to sensors.

              If speed isn't that important, why not be in favor of range -> range & speed -> adv range & speed? You're saying speed isn't a big deal later on anyways

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              • J Offline
                JaggedAppliance Balance Team
                last edited by JaggedAppliance

                I downvoted because point 1 completely misses the point.

                "Aeon (double) shield + advanced range is easily the strongest combat ACU for its cost."

                He said "For its cost." and you replied:

                "Cloak mazer is way better, more expensive but definitely better. Saying it’s worse is insane."

                Do you miss the point on purpose?

                Your response to point 3 is also just dumb.

                I made sensors today so keep your stats. The thread is not about sensors.

                https://www.youtube.com/c/jaggedappliance

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                • S Offline
                  Sainse Balance Team
                  last edited by Sainse

                  It is better vs ... than double nano splash or cloak laser are

                  It's a different statement, this one is without any reference to the cost. I replied to it. I didn't miss anything, as for the cost my reply was

                  more expensive but definitely better

                  Of course provided you didn't miss it on purpose

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                  • J Offline
                    JaggedAppliance Balance Team
                    last edited by

                    It's fine, I won't be responding to your comments anymore.

                    https://www.youtube.com/c/jaggedappliance

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                    • waffelzNoobW Offline
                      waffelzNoob
                      last edited by

                      now compare that to how often i made splash gun or lazer in tmm in the last year!

                      frick snoops!

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                      • S Offline
                        Sainse Balance Team @waffelzNoob
                        last edited by Sainse

                        @waffelzNoob I’ve seen cloak mazer killing t4 way more often than aeon acu doing the same. However that’s just my experience and unfortunately this data is not quantifiable
                        UPD. You’ve never done double shield either btw, which isn’t surprising at this sample size honestly

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                        • FtXCommandoF Offline
                          FtXCommando
                          last edited by

                          I’ve also never done sensor upgrade…… curious……

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                          • CrofisC Offline
                            Crofis
                            last edited by

                            I didn't know it was cheaper. Considering an early gun at min 6-7 when ppl energy production is around 300-400/s, 3k energy is not negligible: you might make let's say 3-5 pgen more to cover the extra 3k or stall your way through it (losing mass), but i'd imagine that's a solid 200-300 mass advantage for no good reason on an early gun. This would apply if the gun was the same, but then you also have the versatility to split it. Paying less to have more?

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                            • N Offline
                              Nomander Balance Team
                              last edited by

                              The two upgrades will be the same cost and have a total cost identical to other gun upgrades (400m, 12000e, 400bt each).
                              https://github.com/FAForever/fa/pull/6705

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