As an Australian let me just say: either ban all Australians or change the tickrate to 1000ms. Either way, the current situation is not working as it is.
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90% of the time australians get kicked from games. If the tickrate was doubled then australians wouldn't lag games. It's the only solution.
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"normally a ping up to 500 should be ok" is not true. certainly not true often enough that people won't kick australians from every game. the issue is dropped packets. many players have good ping, but are dropping so many packets that their equivalent ping is much higher. so it's not the australian's fault, but they reveal that one player is dropping packets and you get jerky random lag. that's what happens.
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I played a game with someone with 400 ping no lag (American with admitingly shitty internet vs Candian with proposed great internet).
Kicking aussies on assumption yes is bad, rehosting takes time but not that much
If you are having a problem being kicked from games a better solution would be to host your own then restrict access to who could improve your issue
Another one would be join the games that have only those in your area. (also this allows you to see better if its not even a them problem)
Also you only answered part of my post,@Lu7ky said in As an Australian let me just say: either ban all Australians or change the tickrate to 1000ms. Either way, the current situation is not working as it is.:
Things would go much better for you if you explained what the current situation is and why your propositions would solve it.
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1000ms tickrate would mean that an australian could play with a russian who is dropping packets without the constant intermittent lags which ruin games. it's the only solution
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Code it then.
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500 is already an absurd delay that greatly harms micro potential in the game. There is no way it would ever be increased to 1000, regardless of someone coding it.
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Can't believe i have to RE-Quote myself...
You have yet to explain the boldened part below and if your reply was that its pure speculation.@Lu7ky said in As an Australian let me just say: either ban all Australians or change the tickrate to 1000ms. Either way, the current situation is not working as it is.:
Things would go much better for you if you explained what the current situation is and why your propositions would solve it.
Also you don't really go as far as to explain the current situation. I can play with an Aussie and have no problems.
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Also so I don't waste the time I am asleep, I would really like to know at least your internet specs, tbh I have my suspicions this may be a you problem.
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I think this thread is more about some form of discrimination based on assumed ping-issues than it is about how it actually runs in practice. I know from experience that it can all work just fine.
If you do experience this problem a lot then due to the networking model (everyone is connected to everyone) you may want to limit the number of players. As an example: play ladder or 2v2 / 3v3.
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The probelm is mostly in people's heads. Nothing but educating the comminity can fix it. There are two very big and very real problems with that:
o) People are extremely boneheaded, and once an idea is in there it's really hard to remove.
o) Some ISPs in Australia really really suck, so every now and again there's confirmation that /all/ australian's suck.There's also the FPS experience. Most gamers have seen how much difference a 40ms ping plays to an 80ms ping in FPS, and then they see a 400ms ping in a lobby here and just reject it out of hand.
I've spent over a decade now trying to get people to give aussies a chance, and at least look at them on an individual case by case basis. My campaign wil continue.
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they don't see the 400ms ping in lobby, since it shows only when you reach 500ms
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Indeed - and what @keyser mentions is added I believe exactly for this situation. Sadly your flag gives you away
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Exactly. Maybe we could remove the flags from the client?
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Flags will not be removed from the client as the negatives associated with it do not outweigh the positives of having it.
The issues of people getting kicked for no real reason will only be resolved through an automatchmaking service ie team matchmaker.
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1000ms tick rate is the only solution. It will also make very little difference to the game, no matter what people want to gripe about. If it was set to 1000ms the vast majority of players wouldn't even notice. In fact, they would be so much happier that half of the games started don't end up being re'd because of lags.
An even better solution would be to have an adjustable tick rate. Manually or dynamically. Pipe dream probably.
The issue is simply this:
any aussie can easily play with any regular player from anywhere in the world.
BUT
when a player from somewhere else in the world has a shitty connection (spotty wifi, copper cable with rust / errors, etc) they experience dropped packets. These dropped packets are intermittent. This means that they might have 100ms ping 90% of the time, and 400ms ping 10% of the time. When you combine 400ms intermittent ping with 400ms australian ping = intermittent 800ms ping spikes and a herky-jerky gameplay that drives everyone nuts.The truth is that 1000ms ping would remove 99% of intermittent ping packet loss issues and would effectively solve the problem of australian players "ruining" games.
The truth is that australians are not actually the problem. The problem is packet loss from russian players with shitty wifi / copper cable quality. BUT this problem only becomes apparent when an aussie joins a game. So is the russians fault or the aussies fault? Both?
It's the fault of the game for having a tick rate that is JUST A BIT too low to be workable. Even a 700ms tick rate would fix 80% of the ruined games.
As an Australian player with 2000 games I know what I'm talking about.
Just because some of you guys don't experience this issue because you play when the other half of the world is asleep doesn't mean it isn't a massive problem for a lot of players.
And Lu7ky - I have literally the most expensive highest quality cable consumer internet connection available in australia with the most expensive ISP. 100mbps/40mbps, 15ms ping to the exchange (I live right near it), 0% packet loss, no jitter.
Just in case you guys don't realise how bad this issue has gotten - from my logs I've been kicked from ~65% of every single game I've joined. WITHOUT showing a high ping. Simply because of my australian flag. So since I've played 2000 games, that means I've been kicked from 5500 games. I've even learned how to read "kick australian" in russian. (it looks like "KIKIKIKI ABCLKJV") And I actually don't cause lag in the majority of games I play. The problem is a major one. So either ban all aussies or fix the problem. Because it's a toxic nightmare for an entire country at the moment.
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@sandyiru5 said in As an Australian let me just say: either ban all Australians or change the tickrate to 1000ms. Either way, the current situation is not working as it is.:
1000ms tick rate is the only solution. It will also make very little difference to the game, no matter what people want to gripe about. If it was set to 1000ms the vast majority of players wouldn't even notice. In fact, they would be so much happier that half of the games started don't end up being re'd because of lags.
An even better solution would be to have an adjustable tick rate. Manually or dynamically. Pipe dream probably.
The issue is simply this:
any aussie can easily play with any regular player from anywhere in the world.
BUT
when a player from somewhere else in the world has a shitty connection (spotty wifi, copper cable with rust / errors, etc) they experience dropped packets. These dropped packets are intermittent. This means that they might have 100ms ping 90% of the time, and 400ms ping 10% of the time. When you combine 400ms intermittent ping with 400ms australian ping = intermittent 800ms ping spikes and a herky-jerky gameplay that drives everyone nuts.The truth is that 1000ms ping would remove 99% of intermittent ping packet loss issues and would effectively solve the problem of australian players "ruining" games.
The truth is that australians are not actually the problem. The problem is packet loss from russian players with shitty wifi / copper cable quality. BUT this problem only becomes apparent when an aussie joins a game. So is the russians fault or the aussies fault? Both?
It's the fault of the game for having a tick rate that is JUST A BIT too low to be workable. Even a 700ms tick rate would fix 80% of the ruined games.
As an Australian player with 2000 games I know what I'm talking about.
Just because some of you guys don't experience this issue because you play when the other half of the world is asleep doesn't mean it isn't a massive problem for a lot of players.
And Lu7ky - I have literally the most expensive highest quality cable consumer internet connection available in australia with the most expensive ISP. 100mbps/40mbps, 15ms ping to the exchange (I live right near it), 0% packet loss, no jitter.
Just in case you guys don't realise how bad this issue has gotten - from my logs I've been kicked from 70% of every single game I've joined. WITHOUT showing a high ping. Simply because of my australian flag. I've even learned how to read "kick australian" in russian. (it looks like "KIKIKIKI ABCLKJV") And I actually don't cause lag in the majority of games I play. The problem is a major one. So either ban all aussies or fix the problem. Because it's a toxic nightmare for an entire country at the moment.
1000ms will break the game for many players. Ui is already slow and unresponsive compared to many other games, not to say that it gets worse the worse connection is. So saying that nobody will see the change is blatant lie, if anything the game will feel like it's permanently lagging and apparently that's what you are trying to fight...
Y-yeah sure. Adjustable tickrate, code it please?
So the problem is not the tick-rate but bad connection? Lul, who would have thought? So maybe instead get better connection or start a proper list of people you can play with? Cuz maybe it's problem with your connection if you are getting kicked all the time and many people are complaining that you have bad connection?
No the truth is that 1000ms delay makes the game unplayable, I'm sorry but fucking chess are gonna be more responsive that supcom, like the game is already fucking hard to play for people like me who are used to proper responsive gameplay instead of looking at the game trying to compute what command I just issued and then taking another few years to acknowledge it and perform...
Stop playing with ruskies then, go play your superior ANZ games with mirddes. He will surely appreciate it. Like If half the people have trouble with your connection then maybe it's time to acknowledge that it's on your side, not theirs or maybe that both are just as flawed?
Again, the game is already hard to play with it's sluggish response time, and you want to make it even fucking worse? Gl, not only is there no one to code it but also is it one of the most retarded takes I have heard in long time. I rather play Psions balance mod than play with additional 1000ms delay....
2000 games? I kinda have no clue what does it mean and how does it make you a guru in this topic? It just makes you a long time faf addict kappa.
Yeah sorry for not experiencing your problem, never played with you but had good games with other aussies. So pardon me for saying it but according to my empirical data it is you who are the problem, deal with it.
How nice of you to have such great connection.You sure it is so great? OR did you make mistake when writing down the numbers for upload and download cuz that's the numbers for the cheapest connection that I could get, and I pay 12e for that
Anyway this tells us nothing at all, so what that you have good connection to aussies if the connection might be getting fucked somewhere along the way, but I guess you didn't try any proxies or anything to check this out right?So far the toxic nightmare is reading your way on how to fix your problems. Even when the fix is to literally "MAKE YOUR FUCKING OWN LOBBIES INSTEAD OF JOINING RUSSIAN ASTRO GAMES"....
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justice sorry but not only is everything you said wrong, but you're rude and contribute nothing to the conversation.
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There is no conversation if you already proclaim to have found the only acceptable solutions.
Host your own games
Run your own Australian FAF
Play a different game
Move into a different countryWe will not reduce the user experience for all users just because a minority of users with bad connection demands it.
We improved the connectivity by hosting a coturn server in Australia. We got a lot of positive feedback that this improved the situation for them.
