Reclaim in hard-to-reach places

[Nuggets]

@Kilatamoro said in Reclaim in hard-to-reach places:

@Nuggets All I hear is "we don't want any change". If we were developing a new RTS, not blaming map makers for mountains would be pretty reasonable.

Clearly you are not reading what I said then.
If this would be a new issue, I agree the mapmakers would not be at fault, but this has always been the case. Its like saying we should be able to build a factory on a 180° angle and not blame the terrain the mapmaker put there.

If we were making a new RTS maybe this feature would exist from the start and is balanced around that. Maps would be played way differently, and even made differently with this feature.

This is not about wanting or not wanting change. This is filtering the good change from the unnecessary.

I cant help but repeat that if the mapmaker puts natural reclaim on a mountain or mountain side it is their fault for putting it there when there is no system balanced or implemented into getting that.
The next thing is you want underwater pgens because the mapmaker decided to have the entire spawn area water.

As I mentioned before, and you refused to reply to, the only realistic case is if an air wreck falls there. And I have also mentioned that you can work around the edges and the rest is not really relevant (based on the games I've been playing).

[Kilatamoro]

@Nuggets said in Reclaim in hard-to-reach places:

The next thing is you want underwater pgens because the mapmaker decided to have the entire spawn area water.

What is this even?

The issue here is that map makers don't have the tools to know if a fallen wreck could be accessed by only 1 faction or all of them. There is no tester for "You made your mountain too big".

And people are talking about removing the factory-attack reclaim. We will get back to this topic when it hits you.

[FtXCommando]

Only map I’ve ever had to use drones for anything was pyramid with the horrible plateaus that only aeon can reliably drop with their smaller footprint

[Kilatamoro]

OK, I didn't look hard, but here are some bad maps from Creative Team Top Picks (apparently, they don't know what they are doing):
Adaptive Pandemonium Pass (5k games):

Triad Terraces (2k games):

There are the wrecks of strats I dropped. Good luck reclaiming that if you are not UEF. I couldn't drop engies anywhere close.
Don't tell me this is faction diversity.

[FtXCommando]

Easily grab the vast majority of that mass with fac attack move

I’ve never in 3000 games made kennels to go and reclaim wrecks

[waffelzNoob]

the screenshots are pretty visually misleading, you couldn't actually reach those wrecks with fac attack moves.

however, kilatamoro, you're treating it as if drones can't be shot down super easily. you're also dropping pretentious amounts of reclaim to make the issue seem more significant than it is. air reclaim over mountains will never amount to that much because A. asf clouds drop all over the place B. half the strats will land in accessible areas and C. if an experimental drops in a mountainous area you can shoot drones or bomb the wreck to atleast deny it from the UEF player

god finally a use for kennels and you're objecting to it

[FtXCommando]

You couldn’t? I mean you see the engies in the screenshots and it looks like you could pretty confidently get close enough to get a third of the mass with an engie in the specific slot in these screenshots from those locations

[Kilatamoro]

@FtXCommando You can't see scale there. You only see icons. Huge mountains.

[Kilatamoro]

@waffelzNoob OK. I guess I will be guarding or bombing such reclaims against UEF.

[Nuggets]

Are these screenshots even from games or did you just put reclaim there? If not from actual games it just reinforces what I and the waffel said