My thoughts about balance
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FAF doesn’t balance around insane turtle map -> insane turtle map gets played a lot.
FAF balances around insane turtle map so that the non turtle map tactics work -> even more turtle variant of turtle map evolves so that the gameplay remains as basic as possible.
See why it’s pointless?
Likewise if Dual Gap becomes “too turtle” by popular opinion, another dual gap variant that converges to what is considered “good gameplay” for that group of players will be made.
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@sladow-noob said in My thoughts about balance:
I hope you included Tryth's replay as well where he crushed you two times as both Aeon and UEF in your navy-balance tests. Maximum cringe and clown to not even mention that one even though it was literally the thing you wanted to test.
Absolute clowntake to tell that he "crushed me two times" when I have not even played against him. I have not included this in test, cause Tryth has only tested 2 small skirmishes, which is not enought to make a proper conclusion. When I pmed him and asked to test further, he rejected. If you want to change my mind in navy let's test against you. But not 2 skirmishes like tryth did. But a good one like Spikey did.
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The test wasn't even close, he literally had like 7 frigs left which is a lot when you both started with 10 frigs and 2 destros. Not to mention you didn't lose cuz you didn't pay attention for one second.
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@gabitii said in My thoughts about balance:
@sladow-noob said in My thoughts about balance:
I hope you included Tryth's replay as well where he crushed you two times as both Aeon and UEF in your navy-balance tests. Maximum cringe and clown to not even mention that one even though it was literally the thing you wanted to test.
Absolute clowntake to tell that he "crushed me two times" when I have not even played against him. I have not included this in test, cause Tryth has only tested 2 small skirmishes, which is not enought to make a proper conclusion. When I pmed him and asked to test further, he rejected. If you want to change my mind in navy let's test against you. But not 2 skirmishes like tryth did. But a good one like Spikey did.
I would’ve if the tests were even remotely close but they weren’t.
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And I might be miss reading this bec it’s a bit confusing, but from my understanding your complaining about subs being too strong, but ur suggesting to give them another buff in DPS and cost?
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@gabitii said in My thoughts about balance:
@sladow-noob said in My thoughts about balance:
I hope you included Tryth's replay as well where he crushed you two times as both Aeon and UEF in your navy-balance tests. Maximum cringe and clown to not even mention that one even though it was literally the thing you wanted to test.
Absolute clowntake to tell that he "crushed me two times" when I have not even played against him. I have not included this in test, cause Tryth has only tested 2 small skirmishes, which is not enought to make a proper conclusion. When I pmed him and asked to test further, he rejected. If you want to change my mind in navy let's test against you. But not 2 skirmishes like tryth did. But a good one like Spikey did.
I mean, you said you will let the better navy player play. And got some "GOOD" dual gap navy player to play instead of you. So not sure why are pulling the "he didn't crush me" when you literally let the better player play instead of you. Unless you lied and threw a random flunky to play vs tryth.
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@tryth said in My thoughts about balance:
@gabitii said in My thoughts about balance:
@sladow-noob said in My thoughts about balance:
I hope you included Tryth's replay as well where he crushed you two times as both Aeon and UEF in your navy-balance tests. Maximum cringe and clown to not even mention that one even though it was literally the thing you wanted to test.
Absolute clowntake to tell that he "crushed me two times" when I have not even played against him. I have not included this in test, cause Tryth has only tested 2 small skirmishes, which is not enought to make a proper conclusion. When I pmed him and asked to test further, he rejected. If you want to change my mind in navy let's test against you. But not 2 skirmishes like tryth did. But a good one like Spikey did.
I would’ve if the tests were even remotely close but they weren’t.
would've does not count. Either you play and give lots of information, or you dont cry that your tests were not included. Let's go and test more skirmishes, if you win I will tell you and edit this post properly.
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@gabitii how many times do u want to test?
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@xiaomao said in My thoughts about balance:
@gabitii said in My thoughts about balance:
@sladow-noob said in My thoughts about balance:
I hope you included Tryth's replay as well where he crushed you two times as both Aeon and UEF in your navy-balance tests. Maximum cringe and clown to not even mention that one even though it was literally the thing you wanted to test.
Absolute clowntake to tell that he "crushed me two times" when I have not even played against him. I have not included this in test, cause Tryth has only tested 2 small skirmishes, which is not enought to make a proper conclusion. When I pmed him and asked to test further, he rejected. If you want to change my mind in navy let's test against you. But not 2 skirmishes like tryth did. But a good one like Spikey did.
I mean, you said you will let the better navy player play. And got some "GOOD" dual gap navy player to play instead of you. So not sure why are pulling the "he didn't crush me" when you literally let the better player play instead of you. Unless you lied and threw a random flunky to play vs tryth.
I will stop answering on why I did not include this test. It is irrelevant on my thread and causes toxic and offensive discussion. If you want, let's go and test. I am ready to test anyone who is willing to prove their point.
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@tryth at least same amount as Spikey did.
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You also say nothas are OP but they are literally the easiest unit to dodge in the game
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@gabitii what an hour
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@tryth said in My thoughts about balance:
And I might be miss reading this bec it’s a bit confusing, but from my understanding your complaining about subs being too strong, but ur suggesting to give them another buff in DPS and cost?
I told not to give another buff in DPS. I told that buff in HP is not what needed. I told that INSTEAD of buff in HP should be either buff in DPS or buff in cost.
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About aeon: i think their t1 land is the most interesting right now, and you should not touch auroras like at all. For open maps you have flares (if anything you want to touch them over auroras), after that you leverage cancer induced by flares to your opponent to transition to t2 land or smth. And you have auroras for more closed or small maps, they are superior to regular tanks in those conditions because you can kite reliably and speed is not an issue, etc. Making aurora another variant of t1 tank is just so bad, literally killing the most interesting part of t1 land.
Skill issue
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Guys, I do not really get on why you are so agressive against me. I am literally sharing my experience and thoughts on game and I am also willing to make this game better. I am not trying to offend someone personally or tell that ur opinion is wrong. I gave like lots of points where game can be improved in my opinion and you keep telling me about those 2 skirmishes. I am thinking more general than the skirmish between 2 certain players. Except for that, I also mentioned a lot except for navy. If you do not agree on navy, just focus on other suggestions or argument where I am wrong. No point of insulting me or calling me somehow. Just prove that I am wrong and I will admit it.
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@gabitii ah ok
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No time to read all posts, just pointing out i won as aeon every time destro vs destro. Only the niche gap style fights was were i would lose. And even then not by very much. Not to disregard ur points, but claiming he won every time wothout mentioning that it was a niche fight and not really destro v destro is a bit misleading
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@spikeynoob said in My thoughts about balance:
No time to read all posts, just pointing out i won as aeon every time destro vs destro. Only the niche gap style fights was were i would lose. And even then not by very much. Not to disregard ur points, but claiming he won every time wothout mentioning that it was a niche fight and not really destro v destro is a bit misleading
Poggers @gabitii why u lying bro?
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@gabitii its just a matter of different perspectives, you play dual gap so your opinion on balance is wildly different from dudes playing like 1800+ mapgen, and dualgap is a map known for its simplicity and general resident burger vibes, and rightfully so. Balance team does not account for dualgap so you need to understand why your opinion is met how it is met. Perhaps, if you tried to play in those 1800+ lobbies you would understand why some of your ideas are not working. Right now noone wants to explain stuff for you because like these complaints were mused over like 82737363 times and its a waste of time really
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@tomma said in My thoughts about balance:
@gabitii Perhaps, if you tried to play in those 1800+ lobbies you would understand why some of your ideas are not working. Right now noone wants to explain stuff for you because like these complaints were mused over like 82737363 times and its a waste of time really
1800+ mapgen lobbies are very rare thing to play and it is usually played not more than 3v3. And also, I feel that it is kind of unfair to consider only those lobbies as foundation for balance, cause the biggest part of the player are not 1800+ rated players.
