Punishing people for thinking or being a certain way will just make them angry and lead them into more radical and echo chamber communities. If you really want to fix the problem you need to convince them that racism and sexual orientation discrimination are wrong and bad. You can try being intolerant and bludgeoning the racism out of them on FAF, and maybe it will lead to less racism on FAF in particular, but it's the lazy way out, and ultimately moves the problem elsewhere and makes it worse. Your attitude that no adult should be tolerant in 2021 is what leads to the extremely divided ideological landscape we have now.
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@tsirkitna said in Hate hate:
why we would have empathy for a racist
Because it's not a clear-cut term. Replace "racist" with "murderer", "arsonist" and such and everyone will agree, because these are obvious bad things. "Racist" can be anything from "discriminating employer" to "edgy teen" or "disagreed with me on Twitter once".
Even a murderer tho. Like what if I murdered a serial killer or a child abuser because I knew that the legal system was flawed and let them off the hook on a technicality. This is the problem with these blanket terms.
@Tsirkitna by banning people, you're wasting an opportunity to use FAF as a tool to combat racism in the wider global community. I grew up in a racist household, and a racist community, and was absolutely a racist teenager, and it wasn't until I discovered punk rock music that it was really driven home to me that I would have to change to be involved in that community, because that shit doesn't fly in punk rock. Racism in FAF is irrelevant. Racism in the world is the problem, and FAF can be a tool we use to combat racism by letting users know that if they want to play the game they love, they're gonna have to change, because that shit doesn't fly here. That involves a little bit of patience and tolerance of those who show up here impatient and intolerant, at least a little bit more than you're suggesting.
I wholeheartedly agree with what @zappazapper said. I think at some point in this thread someone mentioned that often times they're just kids who don't know what they're saying. Permabanning someone like that is an awful idea and is basically how to radicalize 101. I think repeated use of hate speech can and should lead to a permaban eventually, but certainly not in the first or even second or third occurrences depending on the severity.
There are people that I play with who have been banned for short periods of time before and I have seen them change their behavior as a result, at least for a good amount of time. We need to give people chances to change and to moderate their own behavior, not just throw them out immediately.
