I would like to find a way to rid our FAF community of racism, bigotry, hate speech and the like. I think it is time we mature as a community and not tolerate such behavior anymore. I am not talking about typical shit talk, calling each other stupid noobs blah blah blah. I am talking about the serious hate talk that no adult in 2021 should be tolerating.

Why are lobby names allowed to be such things as "No n****** or f***"

Why can't there be chat filter for such terms, why can't there be an instant bans for such actions? Why do we tolerate it and just deal with it.

I'm all for shit talk but hate talk needs to go. I have brought this up in chat and I get shit on for even mentioning it which is surprising.

Am I the only one who wants to clean this place up? Am I the only one who won't tolerate this? If so why?

Why do we tolerate it? Why do we allow it?

What's the point in growing the community, becoming an official non-profit if we are going to condone this type of behavior?

There has to be something we can do. I have been a Patreon supporter for a short time but don't feel I can contribute anymore until such efforts are made to rid our community of these things. Or...if my contributions can go directly to the effort to ban all hate speech.

What am I missing here?

@furyritchie I appreciate you can have your own thoughts on this but for you to shit on me for wanting to take such a strong stance is confusing to me. If you are ok with hate speech than that is a reflection of who you are. I want to take a strong stance against it and that is a reflection of who I am. People purchase the game yes but it should be a privilege to be part of the online community not a right. The reasonings you are attempting to make are part of the problem. I'm not being political. This is not a political issue to me it is a human rights issue. Like I said I am not talking about people trash talking. I am talking about racism, anti gay, bigotry. I fall into none of those groups but will defend them vehemently. Perhaps you are the one who should not be part of a moderation team if you take such issues so lightly and are annoyed that there are those who wish to rid a community of them. Savagely punishing those who act with savage hate should be a no brainer. The current system exist yes but I don't think it is enough for this specific issue. When people have a problem with any attempt to rid the community of hate speech it makes me think they are the types that act like that. Why else would you want to defend such actions. Do you actually want a community where anyone can say and do anything with no real consequence?....not really a community then is it....

I will continue to report all infractions of this nature that I see. I will trust that the actual leaders of this community have seen this post and will consider it objectively. I hope that there are more people like me around here that want a minimum standard of conduct and hope that we can find a way to rid our community of hate speech in all it's forms but I will never have empathy for people who act this way and am shocked you would make such a suggestion.

@thewheelie lol, the dude tells me that trying to combat racism is every bit as insidious as racism itself.......

@blackyps because obviously everybody is happy with the way things are so that's why I give up....simple....

@ftxcommando fags....the word was fags.....

@gamb1t with all due respect I think you may have misinterpreted the intent behind the code of conduct. I think that in order to grow this community there has to be an established code of conduct and personally feel that the wording and intent behind it are positive and neutral in ensuring everyone can enjoy this community and have a level of protection from certain types of negative behavior.

I'm an industrial construction worker and there aren't many filters day to day on the job site so I'm not overly sensitive but I feel strongly that there needs to be minimum standard for the FAF community because I really care about it and want it to grow and thrive long term and not shrink to a niche community. I feel the FAF admin have done a great job with this and in no way are abusing it. A code of conduct is something every respectable organisation on the planet has in place and most are far more restrictive and hard line than ours here.

I think until the league system is implemented it's best to keep it as is. I am a level 1000 ranked player with 850 games and will get kicked too after waiting in lobbies for a while. The sub-1000, non-grey crowd kicks me because they fear my games played and think I'm going to be better than my rank suggests and the semi-pro to pro crowd will kick me because I'm a noob who can't get my rank up after so many games and don't want their team dragged down lol. To me, it's part of it and I don't let it bother me anymore. I take it as a challenge to rank up the right way and play well when I do get in the 1200+ games. My advice is play with people in your own "league" so to speak until your rank and games count is more palatable for the higher level lobbies. Keep playing and you'll have 100+ games soon enough and will be enjoying it more the way you want. Welcome back btw.

Everything is fine just the way it is.

If we talking about moving scathis then it should pack up into a giant robot with arms that shoot scathis arty shells, or maybe grows spider legs and becomes a mega megalith with a scathis on its back and laser out its face otherwise just leave it as it is

I really don't think it's unreasonable to require a certain amount of time from a moderator each week. Any organization that requires volunteers requires them to give a certain amount of time and to commit to that. My sister has a non-profit that is quite successful simply because her volunteers can commit to a certain amount of time and she can rely on that. If she had a hundred volunteers but none of them could spend time on their duties then they aren't really volunteers because they're not doing anything. Any non-profit has a volunteer backbone and it is a requirement for them to spend a certain amount of time on their duties. If they are so busy that they can't devote a certain amount of time to something they are volunteering to do then they shouldn't be volunteering to do it. Volunteering to doing something and then turning around and saying "well I have a life so I can't spend any time on this" is just playing garbage.

I don't think every moderator needs to be a senior level moderator either do they? Could you not have junior moderators who work under a senior moderator? After their onboarding they would handle reports and submit them to the senior and the senior would have less work to do to review them before approval. Or if any red flags came up with the junior moderators reporting then the senior moderator was there to step in.

@swkoll I find it very hard to believe that a "quick check" through my replays could indicate that I would not meet the standards of conduct that are required of people joining the mod team in the first place. It makes no sense at all to say such a thing. What could you possibly see in a quick check? Most people I play with enjoy playing with me. Those that don't usually start shit with me because they are raging and I stand up for myself and for the peace of that particular game. Others are just assholes because I am not very good at FAF having played 1000+ games and they feel inclined to tell me what a pos I am for that fact. Kinda why I haven't logged in for a month or so. Im not saying I am perfect, I am guilty of raging to but for you to tell me that a quick check disqualifies me is just silly. If you "quick check" everyone who applies then nobody will ever be accepted and/or many wrong people will be. BTW I haven't applied nor do I plan to.

My point about Patreon is that there are many people who decide not to donate either time or money or both because of the way things are run or the perception of how they are run. A lot of people choose to just log in and play and not be a part of the "community" Instead of being active in the community. Imagine if most people decided to donate their time and money and efforts? The manpower issue would be solved and perhaps then the admin or devs could be paid for certain things or at least money could be spent on growth and development and infrastructure improvements and a variety of other things that aren't possible right now. It would be a whole different thing to consider if there was a huge excess of money and manpower. There would be a lot more options available.

Also, I was pretty certain it was you who said that "no gays is a meme" or I wouldn't have said that. It wasn't a deliberate misrepresentation it was a mistake. I thought it was you but it must have been someone else. So I apologize for the accusation against you that way.

Well Swkoll just the other day I watched as someone in faf chat complained about a no gays lobby name and was asking for an admin. That's when Thomas and superintendent and leprechaun attacked that person saying that it was free speech even though it's a clear violation of the code of conduct. When you finally responded you simply said "no gays is a meme" so the fact that people have lost faith in the moderation effort shouldn't be that surprising to you. It wasn't until a high ranked player summoned you in chat that you finally did anything about it and even then your attitude was one of like fine I guess I'll do it rather than actually caring about the code of conduct and the fact that people were upset by this. I've gone through this before in a post where I tried to address this and was immediately attacked because there is a large group of people in this community who think that racism and hate speech is part of free speech. I'm not even going to try to get into that debate anymore but when moderators don't care about the code of conduct they are supposed to uphold everyone loses faith and then you get really good people who would want to contribute their time to help out deciding to stay away from it because they see how it is at the top. A lot of people in this community hate me for my views and hard stance against hate speech and so I can just imagine I would be laughed right out of the room if I tried to apply as an administrator even though I'd be really good at it. I have plenty experience moderating from previous gaming communities but those gaming communities actually cared about the code of conduct and about having a standard for its player base and didn't mind banning people who couldn't get on board with it.

I know nobody cares but I've already pulled my patreon support the person in chat that day said they were pulling their patreon support and everyone just laughed at him and said that the Patreon support isn't needed so screw off. There's talk about how there's no resources to do certain things but yet nobody cares if players are choosing not to support the community financially or with their time because of the way certain things are done? Maybe FAF doesn't need any money or anyone's time but I disagree. I think the more people who are willing to donate their time and money to faf the better off we are. Maybe that's something we spend money on is moderation but when the majority of people are really good people and can't stand certain things and they choose not to support the community and just play and have no other input....well.... I think the effects are obvious.

I really don't think it's unreasonable to require a certain amount of time from a moderator each week. Any organization that requires volunteers requires them to give a certain amount of time and to commit to that. My sister has a non-profit that is quite successful simply because her volunteers can commit to a certain amount of time and she can rely on that. If she had a hundred volunteers but none of them could spend time on their duties then they aren't really volunteers because they're not doing anything. Any non-profit has a volunteer backbone and it is a requirement for them to spend a certain amount of time on their duties. If they are so busy that they can't devote a certain amount of time to something they are volunteering to do then they shouldn't be volunteering to do it. Volunteering to doing something and then turning around and saying "well I have a life so I can't spend any time on this" is just playing garbage.

I don't think every moderator needs to be a senior level moderator either do they? Could you not have junior moderators who work under a senior moderator? After their onboarding they would handle reports and submit them to the senior and the senior would have less work to do to review them before approval. Or if any red flags came up with the junior moderators reporting then the senior moderator was there to step in.

I use No Shake as well only because once upon a time when I was a noob with 10 games a high-ranked opponent suggested it. I have used it my whole FAF career so I have no reference and don't even know if its still relevant lol

I think its fine as is. The whole point of different factions is different technology and capabilities. Making everything equal means that different factions are just reskins of the same thing.....we don't want that. People choose Aeon knowing the speed of the nuke. Its all part of it.

I am wondering the same thing. I appreciate that they volunteer and don't get paid but if they can't devote a reasonable amount of time to it then why have they volunteered? It seems to me that some people just want the mod/admin title and not the responsibility. Still see many game lobbies named things like "no gays" and worse while a half-dozen mods are online.....ask about it in chat and retarded idiots like Thomas and his group of small-minded "friends" attack anyone who has a problem with free hate speech. I don't engage him anymore but I have watched him time and time again attack people for them having a problem with "no gays" "no niggers" lobby names........pretty sad that the good-hearted honest people around here have to just forget about the community aspect of our game and just shut up and play.....I love faf but I miss the sense of community and respect I got from playing other games....now I am certain someone like Thomas will chime in and tell me that I should leave faf and go back to those other games if I miss it so much.....such a great solution. Free speech comes with responsibility.....people have no understanding of that concept. Its unfortunate that the small minded people are fast with their keyboard so they mistake being clever for being intelligent.....and even more unfortunate that many of those have found themselves into the senior ranks of FAF.

If we talking about moving scathis then it should pack up into a giant robot with arms that shoot scathis arty shells, or maybe grows spider legs and becomes a mega megalith with a scathis on its back and laser out its face otherwise just leave it as it is

Everything is fine just the way it is.

Personally, I think it's fine as is. (I am the guy who thinks all units are fine as is) I would much rather have a novax over my base than to have incoming t3 arty fire. If you make a novax just to send around and kill mexes its a huge waste because they don't really kill t3 mex very well. To me Novax is best used over a base in conjunction with t3 arty, on its own its just intel .....need at least 3 of them to be any real threat unless you have t3 arty too. The most annoying thing about a novax to me is that I know the enemy has full intel on me

I actually like that the icons are the same and that the ACU is hard to spot. Makes it more of a challenge. Having to hover the mouse cursor over each one until you find it is a skill in and of itself lol. I think it's a good part of the game as denying scouts is a way your team can have an advantage. Besides the Eye and Novax are there for a reason this being one of them.