@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
Yes, I do "train" and help people as much as possible, albeit not through your official system. I talked to a few of your trainers such as @Sladow and @RandomWheelchair , found that none of them really have much going on.
What we really need to get training going is something like an initial broadcast message to first-time logins describing how complex the game is and linking some "getting started" material rather expecting the individual themselves to be "motivated to find it." The layers and complexity of the community can sometimes be so engrossing that even the most motivated person can be clueless as to how to begin. I do not believe you have addressed this issue well.
As for training all the time, if you do it this frequently, and over the course of a few years, YOU MUST have some people that made it to a decent level and thanked you for your help. Could you have a few individuals support this by posting here about how you helped them to show what you do for them?
Your story about "pinging all the <300s" kind of conflicts your accomplishment here.
Tbh morax if you were to ask anybody else you would get little bit different answers. Cuz the 2 you brought up aren't the best when it comes to properly judging how the system works.
First of, Sladow is basically non existent in english public space. He might be doing work in PM's or in non-english parts of the community. But the reality is that you can't see him anywhere in aeolus or discord. If you go through his discord you will see that he never spoke with any of the players seeking help there. So I'm afraid that he's just not into public work as much as the others or he simply operates in non-english discords which honestly I'm not part of.
As for me I joined the trainer team to go and help out people who are interested learning how to one-up their setons game play level and that's the people who I tend to spend more time with and explaining more stuff than basics. Otherwise I tend to go and answer simple questions in the discord which tend to happen quite often.
But ask hinthunter about how much people he's working with and he will answer with ten times the number of people that I and sladow have worked as he's out there helping out everyone he can, especially new players who have no clue what supcom basically is as they just played their first game.
Honestly even Biass would give you different answer than us 2.
As for your idea to make initial broadcast or anything I don't think it's good one as we already provided lot's of opportunities for people to get better with a set of trainers available at basically all times not to mention revamped basic guides(courtesy of FTX -https://docs.google.com/document/d/13S4nBDfcBK4WmFtykXGKNmvIPe9L2nbiriISpHNgE4U/edit) and even a brand new channel in faf client for newbies that have few trainers frequenting there to help out, and also basic information relevant to them.
If people want to get better at the game they have all the opportunities they need, and let's be honest we want people to take at least the first step in asking us how to get better as that at least shows that they are actually interested in getting better.
Unfortunately or maybe fortunately most people that join faf are interested in nothing but fun and as such they aren't interested in getting that much better by going over their replays together with trainers or by reading comprehensive guides or implementing six laws of BH into their gaming routine.
They just want to join lobby and see big robots go boom, which is quite evident especially in newbie channel which is a nothing more than a ghost field of no questions asked. And believe me it's a surprise to see someone actually needing help as nearly all of them are just gonna join random lobby and have fun no questions asked.
People like seven are few and far in between which also makes your point about FTX needing a high rated players come from his tutelage quite stupid, why must he and us have a high rated player come out from our wings? Why can't we consider few smaller random guys going up 200-300 points in ladder an achievement? Is it that bad that instead of putting all the time into getting new ladder god we help out buncha random folks rise their rating by 250 points by explaining them basics and showing how into supcom?
And coming back to the system message, I don't think it's warranted to be spamming all new players with messages. It seems intrusive and I myself wouldn't want this kind of treatment where I'm expected to git gud by my first day of faf.
Just let me play some games and enjoy new game before you throw tutorials in my face expecting me to get better. Most people who wanna git gud will find a way to forums, discord or even ask in aeolus or newbie channel. As such I don't think it's necessary.
If anything the only option I see for getting closer to all of the new faf players is revamping the tutorial tab in client into something better as currently it seems little bit lackluster. But I have no clue what that would entail so I think that devs would have to come out and speak on this topic as to what is possible.