1v1 Ladder

Set

Not quite the right topic ...but, I dont remember who i've told this, but i think 1v1 games hosted in global should automatically count towards 1v1 rating instead of global. I can guarantee way more people will play 1v1 (custom 1v1 in this case) and it will solve way more problems than it creates

I can report with 100% certainty I would play 1v1 in the custom tab religiously if your suggestion was implemented and I would venture to bet that I would have no problem finding games. I just simply am not willing to risk my global rating for this.

maudlin27

My concern with combining the ratings in that way is that it's not possible to distinguish between someone who plays 1v1 winter duel only (and becomes very good on that map but is terrible in 1v1 ladder) vs someone who plays 1v1s on a variety of maps.

Having said that, I'm not sure if it'd be that big of an issue anyway - it'd make someone's 1v1 rating a bit less valuable on the face of it (due to the potential for excelling on a single map that doesnt translate well to others), but if they queue 1v1s when overrating they'd fairly quickly lower it, and it'd mean their global rating (which is primarily relevant for teamgames for balancing) wouldnt be impacted as much by how well they do on such 1v1 maps. Meanwhile for people who play 1v1s in custom (that aren't just on a single map) it'd be much easier to assess if a matchup is likely to be relatively competitive (since 1v1 ability can be massively different to global ratings).

Nuggets

So your problem is that people might be better at setons or dual gap only? xd

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@maudlin27 said in 1v1 Ladder:

My concern with combining the ratings in that way is that it's not possible to distinguish between someone who plays 1v1 winter duel only (and becomes very good on that map but is terrible in 1v1 ladder) vs someone who plays 1v1s on a variety of maps.

Having said that, I'm not sure if it'd be that big of an issue anyway - it'd make someone's 1v1 rating a bit less valuable on the face of it (due to the potential for excelling on a single map that doesnt translate well to others), but if they queue 1v1s when overrating they'd fairly quickly lower it, and it'd mean their global rating (which is primarily relevant for teamgames for balancing) wouldnt be impacted as much by how well they do on such 1v1 maps. Meanwhile for people who play 1v1s in custom (that aren't just on a single map) it'd be much easier to assess if a matchup is likely to be relatively competitive (since 1v1 ability can be massively different to global ratings).

But if these people are not playing 1v1 ladder anyways than doesnt the fact that they play 1v1 (custom tab ladder) means its a win for the 1v1 brand? As it stands right now there are many players that only play one map and inflate their custom rank.

I wont mention names but not long ago I played dual gap for some reason. Because I had a 33 min mavor and not a 31 minute mavor the entire team began the campaign of insults and straight up toxicity of what a noob I am.

So I challenged them to come join some mapgen custom games at the 1.4k+ level....one of the 1900 ranks did and he literally had ZERO clue how to play FAF.

If some 1v1 ladder ranking become inflated it just means they get crushed hard when they play "real" ladder players.

waffelzNoob

@Nuggets said in 1v1 Ladder:

Not quite the right topic ...but, I dont remember who i've told this, but i think 1v1 games hosted in global should automatically count towards 1v1 rating instead of global. I can guarantee way more people will play 1v1 (custom 1v1 in this case) and it will solve way more problems than it creates

this would suck, it would devalue ladder rating just like global rating

waffelzNoob

btw bringing back a !to ladder command and the client notifying you when someone in your range is searching are probably the 2 best ways of bringing back some activity to ladder

FtXCommando

@waffelzNoob said in 1v1 Ladder:

btw bringing back a !to ladder command and the client notifying you when someone in your range is searching are probably the 2 best ways of bringing back some activity to ladder

Not when chat disconnects are as prevalent as they are, you’re better off with discord pings.

waffelzNoob

btw bringing back a !to ladder command, the client notifying you when someone in your range is searching, and not getting disconnected from aeolus are probably the 3 best ways of bringing back some activity to ladder

Strydxr

@waffelzNoob I believe the chat disconnect was the result of some issue related to the ddos incidents (what someone told me, grain of salt please.) I can see about having the command added back (15 ladder games a month subscription :kappa:

Nuggets

@waffelzNoob i dont think so. Right now ladder rating = maps in the pool but not any kind of mapgen (or barely any)

And i dont think this is really an argument, because it some point it was asked to have a dual gap or astro specific rating and it got immediately dismissed

waffelzNoob

I don't get your point

If all custom 1v1s count towards ladder rating then the rating can be abused or at the very least players will play maps they enjoy, are better at, and still end up with an inflated rating. And now we have nothing to gauge a player's 1v1 ability with

KnownSniper

I would force ftx to play another winter duel

HarleQuin_DJO

is there a way to make wishes for the map pool for 1v1 because I get slowly that feeling there are all 3 months always the same maps in the pool or the guy who makes pool nows only 5 maps xd.

Sladow-Noob

@Skill-Issue If only there was a dude in the MM team you regularly talk to :psycho:

Strydxr

@Skill-Issue Unlucky boss

Nuggets

@waffelzNoob said in 1v1 Ladder:

I don't get your point

If all custom 1v1s count towards ladder rating then the rating can be abused or at the very least players will play maps they enjoy, are better at, and still end up with an inflated rating. And now we have nothing to gauge a player's 1v1 ability with

My point is that it was once discussed if dual gap should have a separated rating category, to not inflate or falsify global rating, but got "immediately" denied. Thats what 1v1 currently looks like.

Changing global games to count to 1v1 will make it less reliable for map-specific players, but still more reliable overall. You often clown on my 1v1 rating for example, but its not even that far of on the standard 1v1 maps. On mapgen or bigger maps its a different story but when i host that to play these kinds of maps it doesnt count (obviously).
What I'm getting to is that it would make more players 1v1 skill accurate, as i don't see the "some players might be inflating their rating on x map" as a reasonable argument, because what exactly is the problem with it? Ofc its not good, but we literally have learned to live with it in the most relevant rating category (global)

waffelzNoob

@Nuggets said in 1v1 Ladder:

My point is that it was once discussed if dual gap should have a separated rating category, to not inflate or falsify global rating, but got "immediately" denied.

because this doesn't fix the problem. dualgap isn't the only map rating can be farmed on.
even just playing mapgen leads to an "inaccurate" rating because you don't play human made maps as well as others (throwback to the canis/hilly/wonder games a month back where everyone seriously sucked).

i don't clown on your 1v1 rating
the problem with inflated ratings is that you won't know which to believe. currently, 1v1 rating is more meaningful than all other ratings combined. most people's 1v1 rating is already accurate because they played a number of ladder games at some point in their life. all ranking custom 1v1 games does is create opportunities for people to get ratings they don't deserve
global is not the most relevant rating category when it comes to assessing somebody's skill. all of the top players rely on player knowledge and completely ignore global rating. it would be sad if 1v1 rating met the same fate

HarleQuin_DJO

@Sladow-Noob xd I think he is not responsible for the 1v1 pool and is to busy with other stuff.