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      clyf @FtXCommando
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      @ftxcommando said in What if? Experimentals end ASFs:

      No, you don't understand what I said. I said that you can't defensively support your attacks because you need to proactively send 10 asf to deal with the inevitable 5 asf response. But now the enemy knows you send 10 because anybody competent at this game knows what radar or spy planes are so they will send 15. As the numbers get higher the risk gets more extreme for air loss so you might as well as just send everything you have as a defensive force instead.

      it reverts to all or nothing in combination with the snowball nature of combat. Fuel changes nothing about the nature of that

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      Were you just jerking me around through this whole subtopic?

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      • FtXCommandoF Offline
        FtXCommando
        last edited by FtXCommando

        Sending small handfuls of air is what I brought up before with sending 5 asf to deal with air to ground. That quote was also in the context of sending all your air to kill 1 strat bomber or 5 torps and therefore creating your own lose condition due to taking a bad turn.

        This is also why it’s common for an air player to gift a handful of asf to other players so they can respond to more inconsequential raids.

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          clyf
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          Can you send 5 ASF, or does it converge to sending everything because those 5 will get killed? You'll forgive me for noticing that your logic tends to jump around as long as it allows you to call someone else's intelligence into question..!

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          • FtXCommandoF Offline
            FtXCommando
            last edited by FtXCommando

            The logic has stayed consistent since my first response. You’ll forgive me for not bothering with your posts anymore.

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              clyf
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              It would be my pleasure to do so.

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                TankenAbard
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                I think that fuel is a mechanic that the game should put more light on. Not only does the speed of the aircraft come into play when responding to a threat, but its ability to sustain a pattern for long periods could shift balance and play. It may be worth it to bomb enemy air fields if fuel had a bigger impact.

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                • ComradeStrykerC Offline
                  ComradeStryker
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                  Fuel really only comes into question with T1 air units.
                  After that, it is rare to see any air unit with low fuel.

                  For example, ASF have around 18 minutes of fuel.
                  Perhaps refueling should only be possible with refueling stations rather than a passive ability they regenerate over time?

                  Then airfields would be a little more useful and a slightly higher priority or a strategic target attack.


                  ~ Stryker

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                  • veteranasheV Offline
                    veteranashe
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                    Airfields were originally a t2 unit and changed to t1 because of fuel

                    Put it back to t2 and get rid of fuel

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                    • FtXCommandoF Offline
                      FtXCommando
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                      No, it got changed to t1 for the sake of ease of use. Getting t2 engies to make air staging was annoying, especially since the building costs nearly nothing compared to other t2 structures in the first place.

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                      • veteranasheV Offline
                        veteranashe
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                        Ease of use was a no use

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                        • FtXCommandoF Offline
                          FtXCommando
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                          It was a viable tool ever since it got changed to not cost mass to repair air units, really.

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                            A Former User @FtXCommando
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                            @ftxcommando said in What if? Experimentals end ASFs:

                            It was a viable tool ever since it got changed to not cost mass to repair air units, really.

                            0% mass cost, 6% energy cost in my tests. Free repair.

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                              veteranashe
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                              I was saying they were not used when they were t2

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