Someone's cheating on the coop leaderboard

Hey there.
I just checked the replay for Cybran vanilla 6 (Freedom) rank 1 player, Pobus, because I wanted to see what kind of strategy they had to beat the former number 1 by over 2 minutes.

The answer is simple, as the title implies, that guy is cheating. I'm not sure how many people care about coop leaderboards, but I do, and I thought I'd report it cuz I'd like it to stay clean.

You can't see the player's ressources outputs in coop replays, but I've played that one enough times to know you can't just build 20 air factories and have them pump out fighters without stalling, while building dozens of Soulrippers. So if that guy's replay could be removed from the leaderboard, that would be neat. I liked being number 2

Thank you for your time !

Make sure to also submit a moderation report through the website.

Is there a way to also expunge his records from the leaderboard in addition to any moderation actions that were taken?

Yes, just need to find the right person who has access. Definitely Brutus but maybe Gieb too, idk.

Yes, he's cheating, building everything for free, just the build time is not changed. It doesnt desync the replay, so it's something new.

@retributer said in Someone's cheating on the coop leaderboard:

You can't see the player's ressources outputs in coop replays,

You actually can, you need to open the cheat menu with Alt F2 and switch to his army view.
Or the console with command SetFocusArmy 0

Going back to obs is SetFocusArmy -1

someone cares about that leaderboard?
anyone can just lower the gamespeed by using external programs or manipulated game rules and streaming fake replays should also work

@speed2 said in [Someone's cheating on the coop leaderboard]

You actually can, you need to open the cheat menu with Alt F2 and switch to his army view.
Or the console with command SetFocusArmy 0

Going back to obs is SetFocusArmy -1

I didn't know that, thanks !

@woippa said in Someone's cheating on the coop leaderboard:

someone cares about that leaderboard?
anyone can just lower the gamespeed by using external programs or manipulated game rules and streaming fake replays should also work

Yes, enough people care about the amount of skill and planning that goes into finding the fastest way to progress through a co-op mission. That's why beating the previous top time by over 2 minutes is something big and why several people have already checked the replay and seen what they can do about it.

Lowering gamespeed wouldn't really help much as co-op is more dependent on coordination and strategy as opposed to clicking a little faster. Also any small gains in efficiency have to be weighed against being able to make fewer attempts. As for manipulated game rules and fake replays, those should not (in theory) get past the replay system.

Looking at how the leaderboard is teeming with cheaters. And the moderators are busy with more important things. I propose to remove the leaderboard!

We are aware of some of these from Pobus - moderation has been alerted before and we are hoping to reset the leaderboards at some point.
This will require Brutus I believe however getting the time to sort it for a minor issue is not high priority at the moment

The leaderboard is a mess anyway: It doesn't care which map versions and game patches you played on.

@melanol said in Someone's cheating on the coop leaderboard:

The leaderboard is a mess anyway: It doesn't care which map versions and game patches you played on.

This is one of the reasons why I give low priority to cleaning up.
Basically you'd need "seasons" aka each patch opens a new season.

Wouldnt be so bad considering the frequency of coop patches

I was talking about faf base patches actually as they all change the gameplay

I suggest we remove the adjustable speed option as a valid way to get into the leaderboard, as it forces you to play on very low speed.

It doesn t force anyone to play on low speed, you can freely choose whether you play on -10 or + 10

@rezy-noob Same as doping in sports. You don't have to, but it makes you stronger, and it feels like cheating. Want to know how I beat some coop ratings? -10.

good job. still can't see the reason why should it be forbidden

The scoreboard will be revamped some day anyway. Probably will have different categories as well.