Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor

Hi Turinturambar. My goal with the newspost was to reach the common man. We know full well that what the aggresive vocal discord/forum people think. Basically everyone I talk to personally is fed up with attitude in FAF. I wanted to know what the 10,000 common man thought and let him know that he had the power to create change.

Do you want to know what the common man thinks?

If yes> Why don't we find out? Poll on newshub? People can vote in election?

If no > why?

this formally answers your motive, but completely lacks any insights in your delibaration process, which I explicitly asked you to clarify. Please proove that your actions are based on logical decitions and not emotional affect.

Hi Turin, I'm not really here to answer your point by point questions to be honest.

The issue as I see it is the 10,000 want change but don't know how to get it. That is what I was trying to give them.

If I'm right > I've helped FAF achieve their goal

If I'm wrong > no one will vote the way I recommended - no harm done

I cast a bet that people think the way I think they do. Lets see how out of touch I am.

@nine2 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

Hi Turin, I'm not really here to answer your point by point questions to be honest.

Dodging questions like a real-life politician.

@nine2 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

I cast a bet that people think the way I think they do. Lets see how out of touch I am.

Yep you are out of touch. That is the most selfish attitude one could have

@speed2 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

@FtXCommando you did more work than any player councillor before you
But so did nine for promotions.
So I find accusing other volunteer contributor of not doing enough work pretty absurd.
You make it sound like all promotion work would have to be done by a single person.
I dont think he stopped anyone else from doing more promotion work.
So please find better arguments than your feeling of someone else not doing enough work...

On the contrary, he can go ahead and not do things. I don’t care if he doesn’t address retention, not his job. Hell, I wouldn’t even care if he didn’t do external promo but instead either found somebody else to try investigating it or told me to find somebody else. He could even just ask me about the retention issue and I’d tell him the current plans to work on it. Just don’t hide lack of work behind excuses like retention and then use said excuse as a false draping on your own personal problems.

If he claims that this is such a huge crisis, I’m allowed to inquire as to why his current and prior actions do 0 to address it. If they do 0, then the narrative that he is doing this “for the players” can be dropped and we can instead focus it either on “contributors” or “regulars” or “councillors” or whatever other group he wants to say he is working for here.

Literally made an account on the new forum for this...

you wanted some replies from someone not involved in the politics, here you go: This shit being in the news thread is really fucking weird and a bad look. This whole thing reeks of internal politics and abusing a position.

And on an earlier point on retention: tbh, toxicity in faf's kinda bad, but main reason I've seen from people as to why they don't play / don't play more is that it's hard to get good games / play well. Getting flamed upon doing poorly was part of that... but that's about getting flamed in the game itself, not that there's people being rude on the forum. Most players don't ever engage with the forums after all, or even the faf discord.

@nine2 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

Basically everyone I talk to personally is fed up with attitude in FAF.

This may be a result of biased sampling. Like, of course you won’t hear from the people who are not fed up, because they aren’t fed up. Naturally the only opinion you hear will be from the people who are fed up.

Also there is the echo chamber effect of being more likely to surround yourself with people who share a similar view to you because naturally they make you more comfortable. That doesn’t mean they are the majority.

@azroc

I agreee Azroc. I have no idea who did what. But posting internal conflicts like this on the news page of a video game is about the most amateur thing you can do. But then again, it is an amateur project after all. I just hope all the childish play at politics doesnt discourage the awesome people of this community that contribute their time and expertise on actually maintaining this game.

@FtXCommando
Please stop gaslighting. There has been a lot of toxicity in Discord and on the Forums, in addition to helpfulness and friendless. We live in a world with lots of shades of gray.
You/biass/etc are presumably on your 'better behavior' for the current election/current politics/and because another major developer threatened to quit if certain toxicity wasn't curbed.
There are so many example of toxic/dismissive/condescending behavior on Discord/forums from this past year/etc. If you want examples, I'd like to refer you to the many in the 347 post PC thread.

Why do all of you guys do this "a certain major contributor" thing as though I'm unaware that you're getting PMs from nine (nice one btw nine) about Council chats that I've had with Brutus? Are you putting some charade up for the audience reading the thread or what?

Yeah, I told Brutus he can pm me examples of my behavior that he dislikes so I can get an understanding of where the line he doesn't want me to cross is. The impact this has had on my behavior is that I spend less time giving Feather and Adjux the time of day and just foe'd them. Also don't get how biass would have his behavior impacted at all. He doesn't represent me and he isn't up for election.

Rarely see toxicity in the Discord, don't consider it a problem, and nobody that is currently helping out or has participated on the Discord has ever approached me or anybody else about the environment there. The only gaslighting going on here is you guys and your constant "oh we have dozens upon millions upon billions of secret PMs" when I've received and seen nothing but a helpful Discord server.

@ftxcommando
I've literally complained about Discord/Forum toxicity on Discord and on the Forums, and it's not like I'm the only one or something... You are either lying or have an extraordinarily selective/warped memory.

In regards to not naming people by name, I often do that to provide anonymity to whomever it is, and I imagine some others do that as well.

Luckily I don't mind revealing nine has broken yet another level of trust in the "nine needs to resign" thread.

I meant anonymity to the developer, and I was actually referring to a different toxicity issue with a developer (I didn't actually know about any recent conflict between you and Brutus until you mentioned it in this thread, FTX).

Oh yeah? Which one? The other major developer that is in the Council? Do I need to quote Askaholic to show you there was like zero toxicity anywhere on Zulip beyond Council?

Ah but I guess this developer was going to quit FAF because of the forums and Discord environment. Just another phantom PM that doesn’t really exist. Let me know what your guy posts in the thread.

Stop gaslighting. Also, I actually do try to respect anonymity. So, I am not going to be baited into breaking that.

The only contributor I know who has been driven away by toxicity (okay that a lie I know two second one is not story I know well enough however). Is if you could even call him that, Mirddes.

And it wasn’t Ftx or Morax who drove Mirddes over the edge, it was me. And that is a story I can regale everyone with if you are curious. But at the moment it’s irrelevant. Now all their other contributors? I don’t know.

Neroxis? Is only one beside Speed2 and Exotic whose spoken up at this situation and has left FAF. And in fact just recently, we had an amazing break through.

The Init File situation has been finally solved after months of hellish. Fun time. I went to Brutus, who sent me to Speed, who sent me to client developer.

Which led me to Sheikah. Sheikah then went on a scavenger hunt and then recently he found the solution. Now SCTA and other Sim Mods (BrewLan by Balthazar, Advanced Strategic Icons, Mayham Lite by Wodzu, etc) Can all be on mod vault now. Hell I people exist who want to backport Planetary Annihilation Icons.

This same fix allows us to deploy an init so game can read custom props from map folders. You know how amazing this is?

@dragun101 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

This same fix allows us to deploy an init so game can read custom props from map folders. You know how amazing this is?

i know off topic but this has been discussed and it's to open to abuse so new props are going in the faf repo

Considering the amount of times i've seen "you're chasing away all the contributors!" in the last week i feel like i have to point out that developers are not the only contributors and i can't help but notice that most of the support ftx actually gets is from active contributors.