Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor

@nine2 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

Basically everyone I talk to personally is fed up with attitude in FAF.

This may be a result of biased sampling. Like, of course you won’t hear from the people who are not fed up, because they aren’t fed up. Naturally the only opinion you hear will be from the people who are fed up.

Also there is the echo chamber effect of being more likely to surround yourself with people who share a similar view to you because naturally they make you more comfortable. That doesn’t mean they are the majority.

@azroc

I agreee Azroc. I have no idea who did what. But posting internal conflicts like this on the news page of a video game is about the most amateur thing you can do. But then again, it is an amateur project after all. I just hope all the childish play at politics doesnt discourage the awesome people of this community that contribute their time and expertise on actually maintaining this game.

@FtXCommando
Please stop gaslighting. There has been a lot of toxicity in Discord and on the Forums, in addition to helpfulness and friendless. We live in a world with lots of shades of gray.
You/biass/etc are presumably on your 'better behavior' for the current election/current politics/and because another major developer threatened to quit if certain toxicity wasn't curbed.
There are so many example of toxic/dismissive/condescending behavior on Discord/forums from this past year/etc. If you want examples, I'd like to refer you to the many in the 347 post PC thread.

Why do all of you guys do this "a certain major contributor" thing as though I'm unaware that you're getting PMs from nine (nice one btw nine) about Council chats that I've had with Brutus? Are you putting some charade up for the audience reading the thread or what?

Yeah, I told Brutus he can pm me examples of my behavior that he dislikes so I can get an understanding of where the line he doesn't want me to cross is. The impact this has had on my behavior is that I spend less time giving Feather and Adjux the time of day and just foe'd them. Also don't get how biass would have his behavior impacted at all. He doesn't represent me and he isn't up for election.

Rarely see toxicity in the Discord, don't consider it a problem, and nobody that is currently helping out or has participated on the Discord has ever approached me or anybody else about the environment there. The only gaslighting going on here is you guys and your constant "oh we have dozens upon millions upon billions of secret PMs" when I've received and seen nothing but a helpful Discord server.

@ftxcommando
I've literally complained about Discord/Forum toxicity on Discord and on the Forums, and it's not like I'm the only one or something... You are either lying or have an extraordinarily selective/warped memory.

In regards to not naming people by name, I often do that to provide anonymity to whomever it is, and I imagine some others do that as well.

Luckily I don't mind revealing nine has broken yet another level of trust in the "nine needs to resign" thread.

I meant anonymity to the developer, and I was actually referring to a different toxicity issue with a developer (I didn't actually know about any recent conflict between you and Brutus until you mentioned it in this thread, FTX).

Oh yeah? Which one? The other major developer that is in the Council? Do I need to quote Askaholic to show you there was like zero toxicity anywhere on Zulip beyond Council?

Ah but I guess this developer was going to quit FAF because of the forums and Discord environment. Just another phantom PM that doesn’t really exist. Let me know what your guy posts in the thread.

Stop gaslighting. Also, I actually do try to respect anonymity. So, I am not going to be baited into breaking that.

The only contributor I know who has been driven away by toxicity (okay that a lie I know two second one is not story I know well enough however). Is if you could even call him that, Mirddes.

And it wasn’t Ftx or Morax who drove Mirddes over the edge, it was me. And that is a story I can regale everyone with if you are curious. But at the moment it’s irrelevant. Now all their other contributors? I don’t know.

Neroxis? Is only one beside Speed2 and Exotic whose spoken up at this situation and has left FAF. And in fact just recently, we had an amazing break through.

The Init File situation has been finally solved after months of hellish. Fun time. I went to Brutus, who sent me to Speed, who sent me to client developer.

Which led me to Sheikah. Sheikah then went on a scavenger hunt and then recently he found the solution. Now SCTA and other Sim Mods (BrewLan by Balthazar, Advanced Strategic Icons, Mayham Lite by Wodzu, etc) Can all be on mod vault now. Hell I people exist who want to backport Planetary Annihilation Icons.

This same fix allows us to deploy an init so game can read custom props from map folders. You know how amazing this is?

@dragun101 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

This same fix allows us to deploy an init so game can read custom props from map folders. You know how amazing this is?

i know off topic but this has been discussed and it's to open to abuse so new props are going in the faf repo

Considering the amount of times i've seen "you're chasing away all the contributors!" in the last week i feel like i have to point out that developers are not the only contributors and i can't help but notice that most of the support ftx actually gets is from active contributors.

Pretty sure FAF has some toxicity.

The rabid toxicity....

God I hope to never meet some of you guys for a conversation in real life.

I frankly dont give a shit about all the internal drama and debate, and never will. I've worked with ftx on managing some tournaments and had zero issues.

Besides that, someone with a conflict of interest like trying to hawk your spin-off game definitely does not deserve any place on this "council". As for the rest of the drama, let them work it out. FTX and sheeo have always seemed to have faf's best interests in mind.

If this is about the fact that the news was used as a tool > that same tool was offered to all councilors to use.

If this is about the fact that a councilor spoke in favour of a candidate > There are no rules that is not allowed. In real life politicians are always talking about their candidates.

that's just something they say to make me look bad and derail the conversation =).

the reality is the council has let me continue for now. but two delightful councilors raise this smear campaign story again and again.

@nine2 said in Calling for nine2 to resign as Promotions Councillor:

the reality is the council has let me continue for now.

Can we get confirmation from councilors on that, whatever the decision process is?

There hasn't been any form of official "you may proceed" from the council. As far as I know this is a lie.

FtX has set up the in-council inquiry literally just now.
Pretty sure the board is doing stuff as well?

Let’s first get it clear that there is really not that much precedent to operate on for something like this.

Nine has been contacted by the Board and they seem(?) to be handling stuff on their end. I have no idea what is going on there.

BUT

Giebmasse and Brutus are both Councillors and Board members. I’ve set up a basic process in the Council channel to make things move smoothly on our end if we need anything on our end to actually happen. The sort of necessary interaction between the Board and Council in the matter is, however, entirely unclear and basically relies on the two above to keep everyone informed.

The next update about the situation will probably be some formal decision (however it ends up being reached) that gets posted somewhere.