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For what's little it's worth, I added a comment in the election OP saying applications not in the thread are not counted as actual applications.
People probably won't read it, but it might clear up at least SOME confusion.
We literally made TMM for the COUNTLESS people making COUNTLESS posts complaining they want to play regular maps but cannot find a game because dual gap infested the entire global game section. There is NO reason they or any other single map category should need/get a queue.
Check your forum pms
Following important anouuncements, please move discussions to this thread: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1633/new-player-councilor-discussion-removal-announcements
This thread will be locked, but the timeline in the OP will be updated to fit the current one. Apologies for the inconvenience.
Hello everyone.
It is with regret that I announce after much discussion, FAF Leadership has unanimously decided to remove both Francias and Suzuji's applications to apply for Player Councilor.
FAF Councilor elections - like the grand majority of democratic processes - Do have eligibility requirements. It is expected that applicants do have a mostly clean moderation history. Users who are permanently banned, or have been banned repeatedly for serious offences, do not meet these requirements.
It is indeed our mistake to have not posted any requirements in the original thread, and I will apologise on behalf of the council for that. I will push for both the Council and the FAF Association to outline these requirements so that this situation does not happen again in the future.
I also apologise about the desicion to review the canidates AFTER the discussion period. The review should be done beforehand as to not needlessly waste anyone's time or sow confusion.
For the sake of transparency, and to avoid any Conflicts of Interest, I need to make it known that:
I would also ask that discussion around the removal not be included in this thread. If you need further information. I would suggest going over to zulip - or asking Giebmasse or myself.
Following this decision, we've decided to prolong the discussion period for an extra week to accommodate further debate.
The new timeline is as follows:
30th of May: Signups close. 6th of June: Voting Period begins.
If you're wanting to apply, you can still do so until the 30th. Make sure to post your application here. Any applications posted outside of this thread are not to be considered as legitimate.
You also need to commit yourself to a councilors pledge. If you're not able to think of one; one has been created for you: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1589/player-councilor-election-2021
You can find an outline of the current responsibilities of the position here: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1571/an-election-will-soon-take-place-for-the-player-councilor-role-apply-here/2
You can find the current applications from the old thread with these links:
FtXCommando: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1589/player-councilor-election-2021/2
Morax: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/1589/player-councilor-election-2021/8
They may also choose to repost their application, or modify it to place here if they wish.
Use this thread to discuss the applications. Feel free to repost questions from the old thread if they have not been answered.
And of course; good luck. biass.
valki said in Player Councilor Election 2021:
People rather having Share Until Death than Full Share
I don't understand here, it was only you who said they rather have this? And maybe penguin. Should the PC change the system because two people asked for it? Even though two plus people said they would rather have fullshare in the same chat?
Not only do they not get what they want
I'm important to realise that, while "lower rating players" are not ignored, most requests to do something to improve their time here are based on entirely fictional demographics, upon each users's personal experience and observation.
For example, it's easy to argue that points such as:
Actively giving more (useful) feedback to map authors when they submit a map for ladder/TMM and it doesn’t make the cut
Is not a point made towards improving the experience for new players, but is something that would improve the time here for Emperor_Penguin specifically. Because of course:
It would be good to ask "how do we find, and improve the time for, all these different player demographics?" and then vote for whoever puts forward the best idea.
It shouldn't be about asking: Can you do "X"? X might not be a good solution.
After all, there are plenty of different groups who play everything from phantom to nomads to coop only, and ladder is only but a small group of players. (calling eachother elitist is a moot point if you're only going to focus on ladder boys)
Right now you have three of the same strategy. Which is pretty terrible.
"We're going to improve the matchmaker!"
To which we ask them, how so? and they reply:
"By asking ppl how to fix it!"
Polling people is not an interesting point to make in an election. You don't need to be a PC to make one. You need to choose someone who has the strength and the strategy to represent your needs, and who can deliver them with FAF's constraints (asking for dev or manpower options is entirely moot) or else you'll just end up with nothing.
I personally would have liked to have seen something related to clans. I didn't see anything here of course.
@valki said in Player Councilor Election 2021:
OMG @FtXCommando can you try harder not to get the point @Emperor_Penguin is making?
Was something missed here?
Sorry, without the commitment to make council entry a trial by gladiatorial combat, I will be voting for Blodir this election.
Thus, I take boom's average, my average, and make an average from them both.
This gives me the following score:
As you can see, it's real damn close.
Rowey handed off the prize money to FtX, it's on you Jip to contact him and ask for it (link this post as proof) Runners up 2 and 3 can both claim their avatars from either FtX or a moderator.
Once again, thanks for joining the tourney. We will hopefully do something like this again when things calm down around here.
This looks to me like how WWPC was for a while. Which I’m all for, as long as there are people around to run it.
Also, I want to read the cringe lore
@robustness said in Player Councilor Election 2021:
if there is no open vote, this election will be nothing more than finding out how long Vladimir Putin will be my president. Our hearts demand change. It does not matter who will pull the strap, as long as it is a general vote. No one forbids you to conspire and support one person with your votes, to act in an organized manner. And I do not understand why no one cleans unnecessary messages in this topic!!! Leave only the applications of people and do not spam your thoughts that prevent others from judging the applicants more independently!
The position will be an open vote and you’re allowed to discuss platforms until the 21st. I expect the other candidates to be in here discussing stuff shortly.
If FtX lied about something in this thread, you wouldn’t be saying to not “spam your thoughts” but be taking the opportunity to call it out as loud as possible.
Please don’t associate the election to an authoritarian regime only because you don’t like the current incumbent.
You’ve failed to answer these questions pointed at candidates and instead are just choosing to troll the thread and throw abuse from a position of moral superiority.
It’s frankly a stain upon the organisation of this election that you’re even allowed to be here, and the way you speak proves how you’ll never truely change for the better.
Debating platforms is the right of any user on faf, the only person who would possibly benefit from no open discussion on platforms is you yourself, because it gives as little a chance as possible for awareness to be spread about who you are and what con you’re playing.
I'm just going to go down the list of suggestions in order:
valki said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
Would it work to give all these games the same time limit? I would be more likely to play if I know it is 30 minutes max for example.
This is a very valid concern. I'm not sure If there is much we can do without making edits to the games themselves, but it will be something I will ask people to look into.
spikeynoob said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
Maybe the shared armys mod.
Added to the OP, good suggestion.
jip said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
I'd like to submit Rainmakers, but I'm not sure if it is casual enough edit: it is 30 mins tops on default settings
This would be classed under generic survival.
I'm personally not sure how I feel about generic survival compared to WoD or Final Rush. This would be the only mode without any form of PVP element involved unless we made a leaderboard for it.
If it was decided that survival would be in, Rainmakers would indeed be included there.
ludmilla said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
I'd think that new/casual players probably have no idea what all these weird mods and game modes are and would stay away from the queue.
This is very easily resolvable with some basic inforgraphics. The unranked nature of it also reduces anxiety.
imagine u are a 1800 playing phantom with a bunch of 300s. Would that even be fun?
Phantom is an assymetric social game. Skill may have an influence on the outcome but it is far inferior considering all the added variables. It was a hot choice for clans with large rating spreads because of this.
maudlin27 said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
face alot of anger from the players when I play badly.
arma473 said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
People would just tab out of the game to look up the other players in Aeolus to find out their relevant ratings
This is supposed to be a consequence free, inherently laid back and casual experience. I would argue that people tryharding in wave-of-death are probably not going to be the people to play the queue at all.
Of course, this is going to be marketed towards the less serious player, of which we have a large demographic.
veteranashe said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
Might add a checkmark of "I'm new" so "new" can show as their score In game so other players can help the new players.
This would be a stretch goal, I cannot promise a solution that requires programming.
Also i remember when i first got faf i saw the chess mod. It seemed pretty cool and might make for some fun shorter games.
Yes, also added.
aulex said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
This is a great idea Biass. I think it could be taken in a different direction to solve a different problem of keeping the game fresh, we could have a rotating game mode per week. It would be similar to hearthstone's tavern brawls. Obviously can't implement a new game mode every week, but it could cycle through a large enough list to keep things fresh.
This was the plan as far as I know, but I didn't mention it because again, we can't promise programming related solutions.
uveso said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
We could implement new end goals to the game like:
This is a solid theoretical, but we would need to get concrete ideas first.
Crazy rush needs to be in there too Could do when you queue you can add vote for game modes like "30 min game" or perhaps vote for what type of game
Of course.
The vote will proabbly not happen. It doesnt seem like it would be worth the dev resources.
askaholic said in Suggestions for a Casual/Party game queue:
It would be awesome if LabWars worked too.
Added, it would be easy to repair. As well as scoutwars and etc.
Regarding phantom, it's pretty common to be played with larger player counts, on larger maps. This does not actually need to be the case and smaller styles, as well as options that enforce an average game time (like phantom reveals) would be what we use.
So obviously as a councilor I do have questions for new appilicants. I also have some responses kind of like how FtX went about it just above me here. I'm going to ask a single item for the first round and then i'll dive into the real grilling later.
First, why are you here? You've answered what you want to do. But why are you applying exactly? Are you applying to do these things specifically, and why are you not doing them already?
Second, and more importantly;
More often than not, the primary role of the Player Councilor is to act as the beat-stick. The "Main tank" if you will. What i'm saying is that in the role, you'll cop a truckload of literal shit that you can't actually do anything about. Examples:
We can go on for a few hours but I think i've made my point here.
FtX has proof of his ability to tank for all this ignorant hatred, because of his current status AS the tank. New applicants do not.
How do you expect to fare against the tide? Do you think your past history as contributors here will reflect well on your chances?
Also, because i'm not going to be bothered to do this later:
Feather: FAF is a constant burden on my mental health. This was always the case even before I became a councilor. It is a burden because at it's heart, the lack of integrity and honesty on the platform is so low it borders on the sociopathic.
Even if you were a "changed man" who is unworthy of your current permaban, and even if you had made some solid points in your application (you did not);
Your road to redemption will not start with you lying to my face.
I could see a councilor or maybe even a board member pulling a suicidal play to allow you to run because they had something against FtXCommando, so I actually considered perhaps responding to some of the points in your application. However, I would honestly rather just quit.
Please answer the questions promptly, so I can ask you more questions. Thanks boys.
rezy-noob said in Player Councilor Election 2021:
There is no need to waste your time on responding to the applications. all of the applications will be taken and considered,wait for the final result.
what? its a public vote?
@jip said in Blodir's Player Councilor Application:
@blodir I will also establish the Russian, German and Finnish language faflive streams for the event. I smell a biass here.
@blodir I will also establish the Russian, German and Finnish language faflive streams for the event.
I smell a biass here.
I can assure you I do not smell. I shower every day imperials, can you say the same?
blodir said in Blodir's Player Councilor Application:
I will look to increase the faflive viewership to about 2500-3500 concurrent viwers for this year’s LotS
I will look forward to the mid round feet picture showcase.
In the new order council seats will be determined by trial by combat performed by the applicants.
LETS GO
(It’s scary that people think this is a legit application - and those peoples votes count as much as yours do...)
You might have seen a couple of comments on the forums about it, but we're looking to start a casual matchmaking queue that runs party game modes.
The devs that work on TMM are very eager to put the code time into it, and the far-more-skilled-than-i-am Creative team aready have a couple party game modes "fixed" for their inclusion into the queue.
This post is to ask for suggestions to this list, which has everything I can think of which could be included. Of course, this queue would be unrated. I rather it didn't show your rating at all too.
Final Rush Pro Phantom X Wave of Death Claustrophobia King of the Hill Murder Party Zone Control HardFFA Gap of 64 ACUS Labwars Scout Wars Chess Crazyrush Shared army Generic survival? New faction mods? Special win conditions?
This is everything I can remember.
It's important to note that it was quite common for maps, which contained their own scripts, and mods to be combined. So it's possible for us to do something like Gap of 64 ACUS, with the claustrophobia mod that makes the map shrink. If you do have any combinations you would like to see, make sure you also suggest those here too.
I'll see if I can get someone to look into it