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    phong
    last edited by phong May 1, 2023, 11:33 PM May 1, 2023, 10:50 PM

    I'm having trouble making sense of your message, honestly. Especially that second sentence - what adversity, and what's this about incoherence? Still can't figure out what laggers have to do with it. What I meant by bias, @ovenman has already explained quite well, by the way.

    Even if you don't want to clarify further, at this point, I think I have my answer. You don't care if an option to hide your enemy's name for yourself existed (but you can't understand why someone would want it). Did I get that right?

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      misterdumass
      last edited by May 1, 2023, 11:29 PM

      Community has become very stale, dominated by players who think the old way is always best. Many are even unwilling to listen and think for themselves.

      I have given an option to try something new. I think it will lead to the TMM top 10 players ranks shifting drastically, and ultimately an evolution of play-styles as even top players try new things. But if the community isnt ready for this, and wants to keep the old ways for another 20 years then so be it.

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        FtXCommando
        last edited by May 2, 2023, 12:00 AM

        Somebody wanna explain how a ui mod that hides player names only for you would result in any relevant meta shift?

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          Exselsior
          last edited by May 2, 2023, 12:14 AM

          I’m also really confused by this. How does you not knowing who your opponent is do anything other than maybe forcing yourself to scout more instead of relying on presumptions of their play style? Which sure that’s nice, but you should be doing that regardless.

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            phong @Exselsior
            last edited by phong May 2, 2023, 12:56 AM May 2, 2023, 12:19 AM

            @exselsior I think that's about it. It might also make you feel less discouraged at the start or less angry about losing, depending on what the rating of your opponent is, and what you personally think of them.

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              phong
              last edited by phong May 2, 2023, 12:45 AM May 2, 2023, 12:24 AM

              @FtXCommando, the OP also included a bit in parentheses about it being the norm, which is presumably what would affect the meta, in his view. You already said what you thought of that and you made your position perfectly clear from the start.

              I was curious what you thought of having the option (which I interpreted as the main question, since that's the title of the post) and your thoughts on this are a bit clearer to me now as well, as long as I haven't misunderstood you: you don't care.

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                phong
                last edited by phong May 2, 2023, 6:25 AM May 2, 2023, 5:59 AM

                I think an option to hide your opponent's details could be helpful, maybe more for 1v1 Matchmaking, which the OP might have forgotten to include. A few people mentioned repeated encounters with the same player as one of the reasons they don't play ladder in a thread about that from a while back. @Tomma, you were one of them. Would you use such an option if it was available? Would it make you like ladder more?

                https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5729/how-come-you-don-t-play-ladder/80?_=1683006634418

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                  Tomma
                  last edited by Tomma May 2, 2023, 10:59 AM May 2, 2023, 10:42 AM

                  @Phong how hiding who you are playing against resolves issue of dead ladder? Btw i still play ladder, i just described what i dont like about it atm.
                  Also there is option to hide info about your opponent via ui mod, i believe its called deaf archon or smth.

                  Skill issue

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                    Blade_Walker
                    last edited by Blade_Walker May 2, 2023, 11:07 AM May 2, 2023, 11:06 AM

                    I understand the interest in playing against an 'untested' opponent, since it creates a potential for surprise and unexpected strategies. With a small community and as rankings increase, most of the other players around your skill level will become familiar with their play styles and habits.

                    What would be fun is for an anonymous tourney with each player becoming a 'black knight' and unknown to the other players and even the casters, which would create great speculation based on their choices in-game and potential freedom to play opposite to your usual style, only the TD would know who is who.

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                      phong @Tomma
                      last edited by phong May 2, 2023, 2:55 PM May 2, 2023, 2:54 PM

                      @tomma thanks both for explaining why you said that and for mentioning the mod already exists. Maybe @misterdumass can give it a try

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                        TheVVheelboy
                        last edited by May 2, 2023, 3:57 PM

                        Misterdumass won't give it a try for he doesn't play TMM contrary to popular opinion.

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                          The_Janitor
                          last edited by May 2, 2023, 8:01 PM

                          I asked for similar thing but for 1v1 as the way to reduce pressure on players and obsession over rank but to not much positive outcome as I was hoping.

                          Secure the kill and send it off.

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                            Resistance
                            last edited by Resistance May 2, 2023, 9:45 PM May 2, 2023, 9:44 PM

                            Have you ever seen a single game that has ranked mm and gives you the possibilty to hide your credentials?

                            queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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                              The_Janitor @Resistance
                              last edited by May 3, 2023, 9:05 AM

                              @rezy-noob said in TMM option to hide your opponent's name and rank:

                              Have you ever seen a single game that has ranked mm and gives you the possibilty to hide your credentials?

                              Depends on how much blind do you want me to be...
                              https://starcraft2.com/en-gb/ladder/grandmaster/3

                              But yea... I think I did see a game or two or every mainstream game that provides a way or two to ease up the pressure one way or the other...

                              Now wheatear or not do you want to acknowledge it is up to you, but lest not kid our self's...

                              Secure the kill and send it off.

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                                phong
                                last edited by phong May 3, 2023, 5:14 PM May 3, 2023, 4:27 PM

                                The UI mod Tomma mentioned does the job, Deaf Archon UI mod (credit goes to Eternal), hides rating and name of your opponents, both from the scoreboard and the chat. So give it a try if you're interested, @HintHunter

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                                  The_Janitor @phong
                                  last edited by May 3, 2023, 5:11 PM

                                  @phong said in TMM option to hide your opponent's name and rank:

                                  The UI mod Tomma mentioned does the job, Deaf Archon UI mod, hides rating and name of your opponents, both from the scoreboard and the chat. So give it a try if you're interested, @HintHunter

                                  Cool, still does not quite fixes the problem it just puts me more on disadvantage since player I playing Vs knows me and I don't know anything about him. Cool mod, implement it for all now.

                                  Secure the kill and send it off.

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                                    phong @The_Janitor
                                    last edited by May 3, 2023, 5:14 PM

                                    @hinthunter I kinda like it since I don't have to feel so bad about myself now if i lose to someone lower rated haha

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                                      The_Janitor @phong
                                      last edited by May 3, 2023, 5:32 PM

                                      @phong said in TMM option to hide your opponent's name and rank:

                                      @hinthunter I kinda like it since I don't have to feel so bad about myself now if i lose to someone lower rated haha

                                      Good for you, not quite good enuf for me or the original poster of this thread.

                                      Secure the kill and send it off.

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                                        Resistance @The_Janitor
                                        last edited by May 4, 2023, 12:01 PM

                                        @hinthunter what am i supposed to see in that link?
                                        All i could have found is people changing their names manually to bar codes

                                        queuing with a newbie to show him the beauty of tmm and meeting tagada be like:
                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcRpdZ0Xb0&ab_channel=Tomoko

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                                          The_Janitor @Resistance
                                          last edited by May 4, 2023, 1:11 PM

                                          @rezy-noob said in TMM option to hide your opponent's name and rank:

                                          @hinthunter what am i supposed to see in that link?
                                          All i could have found is people changing their names manually to bar codes

                                          Well... Yes. Do you not get it or I am supposed to explain that as well?

                                          Could go about it this way... By asking a question... Why people do change their names to barcodes in every division that StarCraft 2 has?

                                          Secure the kill and send it off.

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