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      thewatcheral @thewatcheral
      last edited by thewatcheral

      @thewatcheral said in AI Development Guide and M27AI v71 Devlog:

      Replay ID
      https://replay.faforever.com/20336438 - Real Game - Base: Blue and Pink Units: T3 and T3 experimentals, most all experimentals from all tears after that
      game_20336438.log
      https://replay.faforever.com/20341841 - Solo Test Game - Time: 20min Base: Blue First Unit to show broken: Goliath Mk II
      game_20341841.log
      Thanks

      Hope this helps

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      • maudlin27M
        maudlin27 @thewatcheral
        last edited by

        @thewatcheral Thanks, the replay desynced for me but the log you posted was a bit different to what I was expecting and looks likely to be something specific to BlackOps (based both on the logs and Jip's comment/other reports). I'll wait for now and if the blackops is updated to fix the separate issues I can look again if there's still an incompatibility with M27AI.

        M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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        • veteranasheV
          veteranashe
          last edited by

          Hey I did some low mex games including a flat 1 mex and the ai seems to really struggle.

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            maudlin27 @veteranashe
            last edited by maudlin27

            @veteranashe Yes to work effectively on 1 mex style maps would essentially require the disabling of most of M27's logic and use of a very prescriptive build order, and might not be that fun either (as I'd probably go for the T2 bomber rush tactic rather than the 'carefully eco into mass fab farms/RAS SACU' approach). I did have it down as a possible future goal but with my focus on M28 now I think it's unlikely that M27 will focus on that (in part as well because until now no-one had ever commented on it).

            I'll note it down as a possible thing for M28 to look at though as one of my aims is for it to generally be much more compatible than M27

            M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
            https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
            https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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            • maudlin27M
              maudlin27
              last edited by maudlin27

              v72 mini-update

              • Fixed AiX modifiers not applying to M27
              • Team messages warning about units such as enemy T3 arti should no longer trigger from friendly fire
              • Reworked brain setup to align with new FAF approach from June re aibrain classes
              • Fixed bug preventing upgrades beyond a gun upgrade being obtained, and added support for the new Cybran nano and aron extra range upgrades

              Thanks to Ice-IX who flagged that AiX modifiers weren't working for M27, and someone else (forgot to note down who) highlighting the T3 arti detected message issue for friendly fire.

              M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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              • veteranasheV
                veteranashe
                last edited by

                I missed your reply, I was just more curious if, you think, there would be some gain by having the ai count the mexes in the map and then use that to change build order and tactics.

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                • maudlin27M
                  maudlin27
                  last edited by

                  v73 update
                  Mini-update - fixed incompatibility with M28 (that could break M28 if they were both in the same game), and updated some hardcoded values on energy storage to reflect the recent FAF balance changes requiring more energy for overcharge.

                  M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                  https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                  https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                    Laso
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                    Hi, i played a game with M27. He builded some satellites and fired at my T3 arty. The satellites did damage to all schields and not only to the one it hits. it would be nice to take a look.
                    https://replay.faforever.com/20797133

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                    • maudlin27M
                      maudlin27 @Laso
                      last edited by

                      @laso If the shields overlap then that's a FAF game balance feature - when 1 shield takes damage, any overlaping shield takes a percentage of the damage (around 10% I think)

                      M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                      • maudlin27M
                        maudlin27 @veteranashe
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                        @veteranashe While it's still far weaker than a human, the latest version of M28 (v32) should do better on 1 mex maps

                        M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                        • maudlin27M
                          maudlin27
                          last edited by

                          v74 Update
                          Minor bugfixes that I noticed when I was testing M28 against M27 (relating to the FAF mobile factory change and the Aeon gun upgrade change)

                          M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                          https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                          https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                            maudlin27
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                            v75-76 updates

                            • v75 - AI ratings support added
                            • v76 - Fixed an issue with M27 tracking weapon fire events (to support a relocation of the underlying code in FAF that took place last summer)
                            • v76 - Fixed the warning message given to allies when a nuke launcher is detected, so instead of saying "M27OverseerEnemyNukeLaunchers" detected, it will now give the name of the unit.

                            M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                            https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                            https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                              maudlin27
                              last edited by

                              v77-78 updates

                              • v77 - Fixed a bug caused by a change in category in the paragon
                              • v78 - Fixed a rare bug that could break M27's engineer logic

                              M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                                Resin_Smoker
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                                So any advice (or examples) on setting up custom units to be used by the AI, as I'm sure this has changed since I was last around.

                                Kykhu Oss https://youtu.be/JUgyGTgeZb8
                                Unit Thrower https://youtu.be/iV8YBXVxxeI
                                Beam Tentacle https://youtu.be/le5SNwHvC4c
                                Blackhole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9NGQC5rr0c
                                Resurection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdbIQ4vHkMs

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                                  maudlin27 @Resin_Smoker
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                                  @Resin_Smoker Enable the mod with the custom units.

                                  I.E. M27 and M28 should automatically make use of custom modded units, provided the categorisation of the custom unit blueprint aligns with a category M27/M28 is trying to build (the majority of the time I’d expect it to). You could use unit restrictions to disable default versions of units to make it more likely it picks the modded version instead but M28 will handle unit restrictions better

                                  M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                                  https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                                  https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                                    Resin_Smoker @maudlin27
                                    last edited by

                                    @maudlin27 So just the unit categories is all that's needed... nice!

                                    Now if someone could fix the custom unit icons so they work without having to copied into every factions folder that would be sweet.

                                    Kykhu Oss https://youtu.be/JUgyGTgeZb8
                                    Unit Thrower https://youtu.be/iV8YBXVxxeI
                                    Beam Tentacle https://youtu.be/le5SNwHvC4c
                                    Blackhole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9NGQC5rr0c
                                    Resurection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdbIQ4vHkMs

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                                    • maudlin27M
                                      maudlin27
                                      last edited by

                                      Just a note that if you want to play M27 you'll need to play it on FAF Develop, as the last FAF release broke certain AI functionality and means M27 won't work. This should be fixed in the next FAF release.

                                      M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                                        Devyatyi9
                                        last edited by Devyatyi9

                                        i have a game crash with mod M27AI or M28AI
                                        https://pastebin.com/T9hZyXY0

                                        warning: (xsc9011) has no death weapon or the death weapon has an incorrect label!
                                        warning: defaultunits.lua OnImpact: did not find a deathWep on the plane! Is the weapon defined in the blueprint? xsc9011
                                        warning: Unable to load texture: c:\programdata\faforever\gamedata\units.nx2\units\urb2302\urb2302_specteam.dds
                                        
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                                        • maudlin27M
                                          maudlin27
                                          last edited by

                                          Not clear that it's M28 that's causing it, the mod list looks like it is quite long:
                                          info: MOD LIST SET TO:
                                          info: RNGAI (faf0863e-4c91-4bc0-ac2d-20e3f69432d5)
                                          info: AI-Swarm (a13ac591-b2d9-4d94-0285-3d4b3cce6b97)
                                          info: AllFactionsFixed (58c232c2-f7e8-4256-8892-85fbb9687a69)
                                          info: AI-Uveso (62e2j64a-AIUV-112-89465-146as555a8u3)
                                          info: M27AI (f27c55b4-v078-55b4-92b6-64398e75e23f)
                                          info: OOF ACU Death Sound (BBEFBDF1-3C21-4CD6-89EE-86EA42218C0C)
                                          info: Redux Strategic Icons Small (redux-icons-small-01)
                                          info: M28AI (fnewm028-v115-55b4-92b6-64398e7ge43f)

                                          This error appears a lot at the end of the log:
                                          warning: Unable to load texture: c:\programdata\faforever\gamedata\units.nx2\units\urb2302\urb2302_specteam.dds
                                          So it could be a graphical issue.

                                          My suggestion would be to turn off as many mods as possible and see if you still get the error, and also post that error/link to the log on the technical support forum in discord (or here) to see if anyone else has an idea what the issue would be.

                                          M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                                          https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                                          https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                                          • maudlin27M
                                            maudlin27
                                            last edited by

                                            v79 Update
                                            After one of the Rainbow Cup games on Adaptive Flooded Tabula Rasa where one of the M27 ACUs thought it could walk to another plateau (and ended up getting stuck underwater while its base was destroyed) I've updated M27 to make use of FAF's navigational mesh. Unlike M28 (which was ddesigned from the ground up with use of this navigational mesh in mind) M27's use of it is limited and also has the risk of unforseen issues, but my hope is that it ends up being slightly faster and a bit more accurate than M27's previous approach.

                                            M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                                            https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                                            https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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