Mex upgrade change

TheWeakie

@sladow-noob said in Mex upgrade change:

I'm not letting raids through

not ur choice buddy

Sladow-Noob

no U

GrabADrink

Advantage:
Yor oppenent don´t know you are 90% ready

Disadvantages:

low t1 HP
you don´t get the final income of a ready t2 mex, you miss the last step
fiddling around and panic when some raid are incoming, or basic bomber attack
losing single low HP mex will fu up
you need mass savings to panic upgrade to fully t2

Yeah, you would total win this game.
The mass disadvantage would break your neck, not speeking about the enormous
stress.

arma473

Not giving careful consideration to upgrading mexes is bad. This change would lower the consequences of that bad behavior by allowing you to get the benefits of upgrading mexes even if you upgrade lots of mexes at once and stall out while you're doing it. If it takes 5 minutes to upgrade 16 mexes at once, currently, you would be punished harshly for that, but if mexes increase their output as the upgrade process happens, you would be punished a lot less.

Making it easier for people to get away with thoughtless, sloppy gameplay only encourages people to play the game in a sloppy, thoughtless way.

GrabADrink

You get it wrong, this would finetune the mex upgrades and flatten the peaks.
This would speed up the game a little bit, this is the only real change and not maybe wanted.

Expl.

mass output t1 mex with 2/3 additinal substeps

0%-> 2 mass-> ~t1 HP
33% -> 3 mass-> t1 HP
66% -> 4.5 mass -> t1 HP
100% -> 6 mass -> t2 HP ( t2 reached )

0% -> 6 mass -> t2 HP
33% -> 9 mass -> t2 HP
66 -> 13 mass -> t2 HP
100% -> 18 mass -> t3 HP ( t3 reached )

When you start like 16 mex upgrading, you´r dead, beacause you have still to spent massiv mass/E without
any output.
Until you reache the first substep your opponent will have a monkeylord ready.

Edit:
did a testgame, took 2:15 min to reach 33%, with a Econic Mass Rate of 21%.
And now that? i have +16 mass total and all of them are still vunurable.

Actually this would be much worse in a real game, because i cheated some E generators.

Edit 2:
It seems you all dislike it, i would love to test it, but i don´t need such a feature desperate.
Mod would be waste of time when everybody don´t want it anyway. np

FtXCommando

The problem is you have adjusted all fundamental calculations about how valuable map control is because now mex returns happen much earlier. For the most part, you’re encouraging passive gameplay.

Likewise you eliminate the decision making between being greedy and upgrading multiple mexes in the hope that reclaim will exist to finish the upgrades vs doing the safer thing of upgrading 1 or 2 with engie assistance instead. Now there’s barely any risk attached to greed.

Blade_Walker

@segacaretaker said in Mex upgrade change:

You get it wrong, this would finetune the mex upgrades and flatten the peaks.
This would speed up the game a little bit, this is the only real change and not maybe wanted.

Expl.

mass output t1 mex with 2/3 additinal substeps

0%-> 2 mass-> ~t1 HP
33% -> 3 mass-> t1 HP
66% -> 4.5 mass -> t1 HP
100% -> 6 mass -> t2 HP ( t2 reached )

Edit 2:
It seems you all dislike it, i would love to test it, but i don´t need such a feature desperate.
Mod would be waste of time when everybody don´t want it anyway. np

You can get some of this effect right now if you wanted to test it : upgrade each mex to Tech 2 and then cap with storages before upping the next one

GrabADrink

@Black_Wriggler

Haha, you actually favors my idea even if you not intended to.

You right, storages is kind of a substep, i don´t even thought about this, but tanky ass hell and the opponent can see them.

All Gentlemen above should´t build mass storage around mex, because of all arguments they gave or be at least in favor removing mass storage bonus.

You just sit in your base and do nothing exepct eco
you can see your opponent goes eco
opponent can better read your base
mapcontrol not important anymore
just be greedy and build storages
you don´t need to careful consider upgrading to t3

Now i´m in favor to remove the adjecency bonus for mass storages haha.

edit:
My favorite counter argument is "you don´t need to careful consider upgrading",
thats the one argument i fully agree.

Sladow-Noob

?
Please don't try to write before you think (At least if I understood correctly what you mean, see my last sentence). Whatever the ppl write about the idea, do not take it personal since I don't think anyone here means it personal. It's about the idea only.

To the storages:
Storages are way more inefficient than upgrading mexes. You have to put it a lot more mass in order to get basically the same result.
"Sitting in base and do nothing except eco", not sure where this is coming from. I didn't read every single line but upgrading a 40% mex to t2 cuz you float some mass is not the same as not getting map control and just ecowhoring. Noone will ever build a single storage instead of going for a full t2 mex because they have like 500 mass in the storage rn.
"Opponent can better read your base" holds true for t2 mexes as well though? My point is that 90% t1 mexes are hardly readable / noticeable?

Like don't get me wrong, maybe I fully misunderstand your point here but if I did understand it correctly, then we're derailing quite a bit imo?

GrabADrink

The argument of "invest now and get the benefit later" got me actually, i don´t even wanted
write anything anymore.

The storage thing was more of a joke, should have make it more clear.

Sladow-Noob

Didn't see it as a joke due to the amount of posts I read on the discord :imfine: That's on me then;

I have no clue how hard it is to put this whole thing into a mod, but if you want to let ppl test it out, feel free to do so. Maybe it'll get played, maybe not; Can't promise anything