Seraphim eco-SACU

Dragun101

How does the fact it takes 40 minutes for a build power upgrade on a unupgraded SACU, vs a build power SACU being two minutes Quantum be 2 minutes be better for adjacany? Unless you are talking in reference to the QG itself?

I feel that just aethestically having them be less BP than a T3 Engi just feels wrong. Not talking like going back to 56. Just something like 35-40 maybe. /shrug.

keyser

@Dragun101 said in Seraphim eco-SACU:

I feel that just aethestically having them be less BP than a T3 Engi just feels wrong. Not talking like going back to 56. Just something like 35-40 maybe. /shrug.

decision has been made gameplay wise to reduce the BP of raw scu so they are less versatile without proper upgrades. You won't be able to pump sam on the front line with rambo scu anymore, you will actually have to build scu with the BP upgrade for that purpose.

Dragun101

Fair enough Keysar just felt it looked to me when I saw that massive disperancy(sp) shocked me. Through be some way to buff Engineering UEF with Both Drones to have same BP as other SACU’s (sense currently its 6ish less).

I guess from an interface standpoint, I was kinda shocksd fo see naked SACU’s to have less raw BP than T3 Engineers. But yeah that make sense what you said Keysar.

Knight925

@ shalkya

nerf BP : 56 to 20
buff raw BT : 14400 to 8400 (10400 for sera)
nerf ras BT : 8400 to 25000
buff sera mass/e prod from 2/200 to 3/300
nerf sera mass cost from 2050 to 2200
remove wreck for scu

What does BT stand for though? BP is Buildpower, but what is BT?

Katharsas

Build Time

Knight925

so basically:

eco SACUs will be unable to build enough to spend their own income
you will need to spam engineering stations or t3 engineers on top of SACUs
you need 2-3 gateways instead of one, to compensate for the slow build time
Seraphim will build 3 basic SACUs for every eco SACU of the other factions

I don't think I agree with the slow ass Buildtime. 3x the buildtime seems a bit too much.

keyser

you can always add in the engineering upgrade, to get BP with your SACU

Dragun101

I don’t onow about Knight but BP thing is mostly an aethestic issue for me (that huh an SACU which I always felt was mewnt replace the T3 Engineer, and so some extent T3 MBT. Now has less BP than said T3 Engi /confused). But it is what it is curious to see how SACU’s will be used now.

ThomasHiatt

I thought that Support Command Units were supposed to be like the ACU only you get to have more. The ACU only has 10 buildpower when it gates in and I don't understand why Support Command Units would have any more. They should have to be upgraded to get more buildpower or combat abilities the same as a normal ACU would, just with a different set of upgrades.

Sprouto

Perhaps the big difference in build power is related to the ACU teleporting directly into the world, whereas the SACU come thru a gate, and don't have to undergo what must be a rather difficult and expensive process to reach the planet. Dunno really - just a thought to give some credence to the difference.

Azraaa

I think sprouto is correct in terms of lore

Psions

Also the fact that the SCU is t3, then look comparably at the BP of an ACU at t3 tech.

If they really are nerfing SCU to 20bp then its garbage change. Hives and Kennels will become the mainstay of all build power, because t3 engi simply don't cut it with their garbage pathing.

SCU seem okay where they are at the moment and those complaining about RAS sacu don't know how to open a spreadsheet.

Cascade

I thought that the seraphim didn't get RAScoms because their shields are very strong, strong enough to fab spam everywhere and have it be sorta safe.

WackelKontakt

Quite frankly, every single time the balance team decides to "nerf BT" it harms those two factions which evidently scale by far the worst in build power, the most. Namely Seraphim and Aeon. Can we please stop this already?

It should have been evident enough by now, that simple calculation by rate numbers doesn't cut it - given how bad the path finding of the stupid engineers affects actual possible growth.

WackelKontakt

Well, I overread the statement about the engineering station. It's hell about time. Thanks.

Still, consider to stop BT nerfing anyway, as compensation by "just more engy stations" will harm sim speed - for effectively no real change.