New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements
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@inspektor_kot said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
All here know that i'm collecting a petition, it still did not complete. Every day i hear new comments about Ftx, hear incidents abusing his PC status. About communication, promotion of player ideas.
Please do continue posting the comments. One of the reasons that made me become PC in 2018 was that I was tired of FAF operating off of random rules that were made up on the spot. I have made several efforts to address this everywhere across FAF. Examples of me missing these situations or even CAUSING them? I would love to hear them.
I made tournament procedure concrete (source: the variety of pinned threads in the tournament subforum). I contacted moderation to confront and appeal unfair actions (source: Yudi being banned for gamethrowing because he gave up in an all welcome where his whole team died and he didn’t want to hard carry). I made Councillor elections actually have a method of happening (source: this whole election is based on principles I outlined and pushed for in councillor calls, hell the thread is a copy of my old election threads).
I can almost guarantee every action I did on FAF through my role as Player Councillor was justified both through bettering FAF as well as operating within the current framework of FAF Rules.
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@ftxcommando said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
@inspektor_kot said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
All here know that i'm collecting a petition, it still did not complete. Every day i hear new comments about Ftx, hear incidents abusing his PC status. About communication, promotion of player ideas.
Please do continue posting the comments. One of the reasons that made me become PC in 2018 was that I was tired of FAF operating off of random rules that were made up on the spot. I have made several efforts to address this everywhere across FAF. Examples of me missing these situations or even CAUSING them? I would love to hear them.
I made tournament procedure concrete (source: the variety of pinned threads in the tournament subforum). I contacted moderation to confront and appeal unfair actions (source: Yudi being banned for gamethrowing because he gave up in an all welcome where his whole team died and he didn’t want to hard carry). I made Councillor elections actually have a method of happening (source: this whole election is based on principles I outlined and pushed for in councillor calls, hell the thread is a copy of my old election threads).
I can almost guarantee every action I did on FAF through my role as Player Councillor was justified both through bettering FAF as well as operating within the current framework of FAF Rules.
It looks like you are barking at the wrong tree here.
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This thread has gotten absolutely ridiculous for anyone to follow.
Yesterday some folks brought up the idea, and earlier today Endranii, HintHunter, Terminal, Grimplex and I were in voice chat to discuss FAF politics, learned that voice chat is much, much better to discuss issues.
I think rather have an open forum debate, FTX, Emperor, myself, and whomever else applies should get a live, streamed discussion of issues with FAF. I think this might be a better option, limit it to 2 hrs tops.
What do you guys think? I don't want to make this seem as hostile as it has appeared in this thread. I am confident the 3 of us could have a civil conversation that might yield ideas and solutions to FAF issues in the very least.
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No, I got no interest in some random voice call debate unless it operates like a standard, procedural debate. I’m tired of the disorganization.
Moderator is picked. Moderator releases a list of questions. Individuals have a set time for a response alongside a set time for a rebuttal if they are inclined to give one.
Usually 5 minutes for a question, 8 for a rebuttal.
In a rebuttal you can do never go beyond the scope of the response you are refuting.
If you opt to refute a rebuttal, you likewise cannot go beyond the scope of that respective rebuttal.
It is up to moderator discretion when people are no longer arguing within the scope of the question/original argument and when rebuttals have begun to go in circles.
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Of course it will be organized. If Jagged or someone can moderate that would make it nice I think.
Like I said, the voice chat I just had with Endranii and HintHunter went VERY WELL and I think we could do the same.
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@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
This thread has gotten absolutely ridiculous for anyone to follow.
this...... i gave up reading this thread coz it turned into a s**t show i would much rather watch a 2hr stream
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Yeah I think I am done writing posts for the PC application threads. Another bunch of us were just in voice and the conversations were critical of things, but not overly-rage-a-holic pessimistic.
FTX, good luck to you on here if that is what you want to keep doing, but I am all set. If that costs me the election cause I am refusing to go through this hell then so be it, but I would really like to hear everyone's thoughts on this idea of a voice discussion.
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Morax Just root for the penguin and then the two of you split pc roles. You both have good ideas and should work together and not fight and divide. Togetherness is what we need, don't let ftx divide and conquer. This thread leads nowhere.
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If this does happen: my recommodation
- Have a Topic or list of questions your expected to answer
- If everyone and mom wants to run can we have something so we don’t have an 8 person debate. I dealt with that enough two years ago.
- Establish rules, and casters. In stone or blood whichever implication you all before.
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We can do this, or we can just wipe every post except for the applicants and then occasionally feed in questions from PM or some other submission box.
Of course, would need times from all 3 of you and a number of good questions to ask.
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If we want to do that, we could use the nice questions sheet I already made for the discussion and I think I asked two ones in here we can use for prompts. /shamelessselfPromotion
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Looking at all this discussion, we can conclude that people are just tired of seeing FTX in this post, and at least for one year we need a new PC. I don't think it's going to make FAF feels very bad. It just looks like another presidential re-election in Uganda. Probably, we even should limit the term that PC can not be elected for more than 2 years for example
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You guys got some weird chaos theory of elections. It's like the 2nd time in this thread a dude has said ideas don't matter just get a new dude because being new is some inherent quality.
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I’m fairly certain only a vote will tell this, Wesh. Ftx, penguin, myself have our supporters and those against.
The only thing I know for sure is that people really dislike reading this much back and forth in text...
I wish ftx would be open to a voice discussion, at least for the sake of resolving issues, but you saw his response.
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I think we should have a debate like in presidential election on twitch. I think it's a good idea for people to get to know the candidates better, to know who they're voting for. I am sure that these beautiful letters with promises were not read by all interested people, and most of the players do not know what is happening at all. In fact, I vote for promises on paper, and I'd like to get to know and hear the guys better. The format of the debate may be different, but I think faflive, Jagget or farms will ask questions and the candidates will answer how they are going to solve them. And viewers can vote "mass" in the chat, which answer is better. I apologize if someone has already voiced this idea and I repeat
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@wesh said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
Looking at all this discussion, we can conclude that people are just tired of seeing FTX in this post,
And where do you see that? There are just as many supporters for ftx as there are people disagreeing with him.
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@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:
I wish ftx would be open to a voice discussion, at least for the sake of resolving issues, but you saw his response.
So we're running with the characterization that FtX is scared of arguing then? Lol, alright.
This thread is evidence enough that people here cannot be trusted to maintain an unstructured discussion, me included since I get lost in every weed trying to refute statements that aren't even relevant.
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Debates are only any good at determining who is good at debating which is fine if that is what the job is. Seem like massive overkill for a faf pc.
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By the way, i don't know who made a News update, but it seems Inspektor Kot message isn't an application for PC.
