@snagglefox said in Game Councilor:

The level of entitlement I've seen over the last several days on this forum is incredible.

Jip & co have brought FAF to a new level over the year+. Be happy we aren't stuck playing on a clone of GPGNet, instead we have people willing to continually work on and improve the game. The performance improvements alone are more than we could've asked anyone to do. The fact they're trying to modernize the game to a degree without access to the source code is a feat itself.

Jip more than communicates enough and is always open to feedback, don't blame him because yall don't make an effort to keep up with development nor do you play on Develop to test the changes. Instead, make an effort to be part of the process if you're so unhappy with it.

Casual FAF player here, started playing original FA back in the day and was happily surprised to come across this community a year or two ago. Here's my two cents worth:

Now I've never been one to like change, especially in anything I've had great affection for in the past. Not a fan of JJ Star Wars or Star Trek. Hated Dawn of War 2 after loving the original and all its expansions. I even hated Sup Com 2 and it's bulshit research mechanic.

So coming on board fairly late in the piece meant adapting to a few substantial changes right off the bat (CZARs didn't have shields in my day) and having been away from the game for several months I'm sure there will be more adapting to come.

BUT (to echo in part what SnaggleFox has said).

Given the choice between being carried along with Jip and the rest of development team's vision (since I have no time to do anything but post the occasional bug report myself) and adjusting to their mechanic changes so I can continue to take advantage of the incredible work they've done to enhance the overall performance of the game

OR

Sticking with classic FA and rapidly getting bored and frustrated by the limitations of a 15+ year old game with no support...

Yeah that's an easy choice.

TL;DR - As long as FAF stays recognizable in spirit, keeps improving in the leaps and bounds it has to date, and especially considering that I contribute effectively NOTHING to this community in terms of money or feedback.

Jip and the team can do what they like. With my continued gratitude for their efforts.

@snagglefox said in Game Councilor:

The level of entitlement I've seen over the last several days on this forum is incredible.

Jip & co have brought FAF to a new level over the year+. Be happy we aren't stuck playing on a clone of GPGNet, instead we have people willing to continually work on and improve the game. The performance improvements alone are more than we could've asked anyone to do. The fact they're trying to modernize the game to a degree without access to the source code is a feat itself.

Jip more than communicates enough and is always open to feedback, don't blame him because yall don't make an effort to keep up with development nor do you play on Develop to test the changes. Instead, make an effort to be part of the process if you're so unhappy with it.

Casual FAF player here, started playing original FA back in the day and was happily surprised to come across this community a year or two ago. Here's my two cents worth:

Now I've never been one to like change, especially in anything I've had great affection for in the past. Not a fan of JJ Star Wars or Star Trek. Hated Dawn of War 2 after loving the original and all its expansions. I even hated Sup Com 2 and it's bulshit research mechanic.

So coming on board fairly late in the piece meant adapting to a few substantial changes right off the bat (CZARs didn't have shields in my day) and having been away from the game for several months I'm sure there will be more adapting to come.

BUT (to echo in part what SnaggleFox has said).

Given the choice between being carried along with Jip and the rest of development team's vision (since I have no time to do anything but post the occasional bug report myself) and adjusting to their mechanic changes so I can continue to take advantage of the incredible work they've done to enhance the overall performance of the game

OR

Sticking with classic FA and rapidly getting bored and frustrated by the limitations of a 15+ year old game with no support...

Yeah that's an easy choice.

TL;DR - As long as FAF stays recognizable in spirit, keeps improving in the leaps and bounds it has to date, and especially considering that I contribute effectively NOTHING to this community in terms of money or feedback.

Jip and the team can do what they like. With my continued gratitude for their efforts.

@jip No, Windows 10

This has been an issue for me for a while and I've only just gotten around to reporting it.

When I play as Aeon on Drakes Ravine, I only see very limited weapons fire effects. For something like a nuke, I see the scar on the ground, screen shakes and I get a bit of the halo lighting effect, but no mushroom cloud, smoke etc. For simple effects, like Auroras or sniper bots I can see the firing action (turret kicks back) but no shot. This happens for all players from my point of view, but not for others in the game (although those I play with typically don't play Aeon).

All other maps (generalisation, specifically Strip Mine, Setons) work without issue. This has persisted through the last few patches and client updates. I have tried turning graphics to minimum and then back up, no effect.

10 Home 21H1. As far as gameplay it varies, when the first crash happened the entire game just locks up, when I alt-TAB I find the debugger in the background. With this most recent crash the main screen (I play with dual-screen) completely crashed out.

Yeah Forged has been rock solid up until that major crashing bug a couple of patches ago and since then (until now obviously). I haven't tried another map yet so unsure if its something with this combination or my system in general.

And Log

game_15632810.log

So today I tried playing on the Devel branch and had much better luck, same combination with Supreme Scoreboard and NVIDIA fix. Lasted a good 3 hours before crashing out a bit differently than previous so I think this is a new/different crash

EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at address 0x0067aa5f
attempted to read memory at 0x00000000

Program : C:\ProgramData\FAForever\bin\ForgedAlliance.exe
Cmd line arguments : /init init.lua /nobugreport /log C:\ProgramData\FAForever\logs\game_15632810.log /gpgnet 127.0.0.1:61090 /mean 1500.0 /deviation 500.0 /savereplay gpgnet://127.0.0.1:53303/15632810/GrandAdmiral.SCFAreplay /country AU /rehost /numgames 0

Callstack:
Unknown symbol (address 0x0067aa5f)

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info: CWldSession::DoBeat() unknown entity id (0x2ff00f3b) supplied in a pose update.
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warning: ACU kill detected. Rating for ranked games is now enforced.
info: Sending game result: 2 score 1
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info: Hooked /lua/ui/game/gameresult.lua with /mods/supremescoreboard/hook/lua/ui/game/gameresult.lua
info: SSB >>> TRACE GameResults: result = score 1, armyID = 2, name = GrandAdmiral
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info: SSB >>> TRACE OnBeat() player has died: Shinjake (Shuri (AI: Adaptive))
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingAssistanceComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
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warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
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warning: *AI WARNING: EngineerComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
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warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryCapCheck - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationFactoriesBuildingComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingAssistanceComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationBuildingComparison - Invalid location - MAIN
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingAssistanceComparison - Invalid location - MAIN
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warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingComparison - Invalid location - MAIN
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...data\lua.nx5\lua\editor\unitcountbuildconditions.lua(1005): in function <...data\lua.nx5\lua\editor\unitcountbuildconditions.lua:1004>
(tail call): ?
...\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\brainconditionsmonitor.lua(306): in function <...\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\brainconditionsmonitor.lua:304>
(tail call): ?
...mdata\faforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\builder.lua(174): in function BuilderConditionTest' ...mdata\faforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\builder.lua(212): in function CheckBuilderConditions'
...mdata\faforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\builder.lua(126): in function GetBuilderStatus' ...aforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\buildermanager.lua(258): in function GetHighestBuilder'
...forever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\engineermanager.lua(667): in function AssignEngineerTask' ...forever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\engineermanager.lua(638): in function <...forever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\sim\engineermanager.lua:635> warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03 warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03 warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03 warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03 warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03 warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03 warning: Error running lua script: ...ogramdata\faforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\platoon.lua(1443): attempt to call method GetLocationCoords' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...ogramdata\faforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\platoon.lua(1443): in function <...ogramdata\faforever\gamedata\lua.nx5\lua\platoon.lua:1433>
debug: Loading module '\000/effects/entities/uefnukeeffect05/uefnukeeffect05_script.lua\000'
warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03
warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03
warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03
warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03
warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Expansion Area 03
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingAssistanceComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationFactoriesBuildingComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationBuildingComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: HaveUnitComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: EngineerComparisonAtLocation - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingAssistanceComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: FactoryCapCheck - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationFactoriesBuildingComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
warning: *AI WARNING: LocationEngineersBuildingAssistanceComparison - Invalid location - Large Expansion Area 02
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@jip said in Repeating crash on Strip Mine:

@grandadmiral said in Repeating crash on Strip Mine:

it'd be awesome if the client had an auto-submission option.

We're actually working on that. with the next release the debugger that was made for FA should attach automatically - when you crash we'll have all the info we need to determine what caused the crash.

That's awesome to hear. Game log attached for both reports

game_15598560.log

game_15593101.log

In that latest game only Supreme Scoreboard and NVIDIA Fix. Previously I had Advanced reclaim and RKExplosions on as well. I'll grab that log file tonight, it'd be awesome if the client had an auto-submission option.

I've been able to reproduce it every time I've played this combination so whatever debugging/tracing you want me to run or combinations of mods/branches you want me to try just let me know.

And again, this time at 56m. RKExplosions turned off

EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at address 0x00423190
attempted to read memory at 0xbcecdb11

Program : C:\ProgramData\FAForever\bin\ForgedAlliance.exe
Cmd line arguments : /init init.lua /nobugreport /log C:\ProgramData\FAForever\logs\game_15598560.log /gpgnet 127.0.0.1:43029 /mean 1500.0 /deviation 500.0 /savereplay gpgnet://127.0.0.1:64913/15598560/GrandAdmiral.SCFAreplay /country AU /numgames 0

Callstack:
Unknown symbol (address 0x00423190)
Unknown symbol (address 0x00801e43)

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Windows 10 21H1
Normal FA branch
On a winner lol