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    • RoweyR
      Rowey
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      this issuse is low rated player thier never enough that show up to tournamnets it ben tryd time and time again ans allwasy lkinda flops. might be somthing the next Community manager could look in to

      "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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      • Rodimus_PrimeR
        Rodimus_Prime @Rowey
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        @rowey On the first point, provided we are slightly organized, I have time to be the FAF rep. for a few one-off sessions with a popular RTS streamer learning the game. I can wrangle some players from my clan to help as well, if only to serve as punching bags.

        On the second point, having multiple players using the same channel to maximize up time would be nice, and could be done across both Youtube and Twitch.

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        • FemboyF
          Femboy Promotions team
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          You need to pay me to do video tutorials on everything, think people would play more if there were clear tutorials on how to improve.

          Also I need to improve the website and create a much better infrastructure for tournaments and newshub…

          FAF Website Developer

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          • RoweyR
            Rowey @Femboy
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            @femboy best to focused on one thing than spread yourself over too many things

            "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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            • FemboyF
              Femboy Promotions team @Rowey
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              @rowey alright, lets focus on the paying me part B)

              No but for real, I've been doing that, sadly it just hasnt been FAF related but with my new experiences/projects I come back a better developer to help here.

              FAF Website Developer

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                Blodir
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                I agree with bully that spending money on bribing streamers is just as questionable as funding developers, since it could easily come off as being a fuck you to everybody who is doing it for free. Also people need to realize that we are not talking about small sums of money here. Not to mention the fact that some complete beginner learning SupCom for 2 hours is pretty damn underwhelming as far as content goes.

                Speaking as someone who has actually spent a lot of time in other RTS games; people are frothing at the mouth for a new RTS, especially in sc2. Most of these people have never even heard of SupCom, let alone having played it. The question that needs to be asked is why do these people have a huge hard on for Frost Giant, but are unwilling to try old games?

                People don't want to play an old game, they board hypetrains. The most significant impact on playerbase comes from big releases which create a sense of newness. Can a sufficiently large singular event, such as a big release, be recreated in FAF? Maybe not, but it's something to think about.

                Another thing. I recall ftx saying something about how FAF needs to focus more on teamgames instead of 1v1. I have to agree.

                It's not that I don't like 1v1 as a format - I love 1v1. I played tons of pretty high level 1v1 in sc2, aoe2, aoe4, among others. I'm gonna be honest here, 1v1 is simply not that fun in FAF. I'd rather play any of the three aforementioned games than 1v1 in FAF. I think it's fixable with drastic changes to balance and maps, but I disgress.

                For now, let's focus on what the game, in its current state, is actually good at: teamgames with 8-10 players on ~15km maps.

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                • FtXCommandoF
                  FtXCommando
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                  You mean good as an introduction for players? I like to think the ideal game sees at least late t2 and at most late t4 push gameplay. The outliers are late t1/arty style games. For high level gameplay you see that in 2v2 for sure. New players/low skill players are likely to require 4v4ish games for it.

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                  • arma473A
                    arma473 @Blodir
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                    Would you pay me $100 from FAF funds to stick with FAF? Why not? If not, why would you try to spend $100/head to get new people to play FAF? That's basically what it would cost.

                    Even if 10% of a streamer's audience decided to try the game, how many of them would stay more than 2 weeks?

                    If FAF is going to spend donations to recruit new players, what does that tell the people who donated? "Thanks for the money, we will use it to replace you."

                    Money should be spent on retention of high-level players (through cash prizes for winning tournaments) and in recognition of creating new content (e.g. pay $100/map to the makers of the top 10 new maps each year).

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                    • maudlin27M
                      maudlin27
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                      Another option - invest in passive index linked share funds with the aim that the approximate long term average income yield from such investments could be used to fund server costs in the event future donations weren’t able to cover future costs (i.e. deferring the ‘problem’ of what to do with the spare/excess funds in the event donations continue to significantly outpace such costs).

                      M27AI and M28AI developer; Devlogs and more general AI development guide:
                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v71-devlog
                      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v150

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                      • veteranasheV
                        veteranashe
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                        Paid tutorials and how to's, we are severely lacking

                        Small bonuses for the dev team, $10 is better than nothing.

                        More tournaments. We need a very good spread so all players can play not just the super good ones.

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                          Matches
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                          I dint read the whole thread before I wrote this so apologies if its been covered already.

                          I think funds should be used to fund any infrastructure improvements that are deemed to be currently inadequate or that could be considerably improved, as an example the servers themselves (not sure if FAF owns them but if it does then perhaps a nice upgrade or if we rent a hosted server then improving our service provider or moving it to a better location ect)

                          I'm just a dumb carpenter so I don't know the ins and outs off all this stuff but you see the point. I am in the early stages of making a tutorial and would never want to be paid for something like that...I think when a game like this is kept going by volunteers then more people have to be willing to volunteer to make it better without the expectation of getting money. The best FPS game in the history of the world was BF 2142 and it was kept alive for a while but it soon died (after bf3 released) because so few in the community were willing to donate their time to play/promote/develop it... We are lucky that FAF is still so strong and better than ever (despite what the haters say when they cant find a lobby) and the best way to keep it alive is for the people who love this game to help out where and when they can and to have as good of an infrastructure platform as we possibly can. If the development team is aware of a glaring need that would be solved with financial investments than that should be the focus imo.

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                          • RoweyR
                            Rowey @Matches
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                            @matches said in What would be an efficient use of FAF's funds to improve FAF?:

                            I think funds should be used to fund any infrastructure improvements that are deemed to be currently inadequate or that could be considerably improved, as an example the servers themselves (not sure if FAF owns them but if it does then perhaps a nice upgrade or if we rent a hosted server then improving our service provider or moving it to a better location ect)

                            The Servce we have and are looking to upgrade too we have more than enough funds in the bank to cover it for a whole year.

                            I'm just a dumb carpenter so I don't know the ins and outs off all this stuff but you see the point. I am in the early stages of making a tutorial and would never want to be paid for something like that...I think when a game like this is kept going by volunteers then more people have to be willing to volunteer to make it better without the expectation of getting money. The best FPS game in the history of the world was BF 2142 and it was kept alive for a while but it soon died (after bf3 released) because so few in the community were willing to donate their time to play/promote/develop it... We are lucky that FAF is still so strong and better than ever (despite what the haters say when they cant find a lobby) and the best way to keep it alive is for the people who love this game to help out where and when they can and to have as good of an infrastructure platform as we possibly can.

                            If the development team is aware of a glaring need that would be solved with financial investments than that should be the focus imo.

                            Money wont be spent on dev time how can you give X dev money when Y dev did Z for free

                            "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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                              Matches @Rowey
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                              @rowey Like I said dude Im a dumb carpenter...in my mind the "dev team" is anyone who does anything official with FAF. I dont know how all this works and what each specific team is called and who does what...I kinda said that in my OP...dont overthink it. My point is just that I think the money should be spent on physical things and not time doing things people in a volunteer community should do anyway such as tutorials or advertising.

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                                robotcat
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                                  Adamis
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                                  My opinion:
                                  1-Stability
                                  2-Integrade faf in to steam somehow (most likely not possible, but that is the biggest on)
                                  3-more easy modding
                                  4-more Single / Coop Campaign with different difficulties (most rts players dont want want to play vs player / dont have the time to learn the game)
                                  5-Noob game matchmaking
                                  6-Automatch making with no visible ranking (like tft/lol normal mode. it is equal to ranked, but you will not find any score)
                                  7-Pay some streamers how are into strategie in general to try the game. If 0-4 it good the will then create there one content from now on.
                                  8-more visible custom game modes ->phantom/survival matchmaking or tab with

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                                  • RoweyR
                                    Rowey @Adamis
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                                    @adamis said in What would be an efficient use of FAF's funds to improve FAF?:

                                    My opinion:
                                    1-Stability
                                    2-Integrade faf in to steam somehow (most likely not possible, but that is the biggest on)
                                    3-more easy modding
                                    4-more Single / Coop Campaign with different difficulties (most rts players dont want want to play vs player / dont have the time to learn the game)
                                    5-Noob game matchmaking
                                    6-Automatch making with no visible ranking (like tft/lol normal mode. it is equal to ranked, but you will not find any score)
                                    7-Pay some streamers how are into strategie in general to try the game. If 0-4 it good the will then create there one content from now on.
                                    8-more visible custom game modes ->phantom/survival matchmaking or tab with

                                    1- Stability of FAF has only recently been a more pressing issues lately up until then the stability of the game has been rock solid.

                                    2- We cant integrate faf into steam as we technically just a mod for the game with a client for it.

                                    3 - How would you want modding easier ? we can only use Lua and the blueprints as they what the game offers us.

                                    4 - Campaigns can take long time to make and design. i recommend joining the campaign discord and offing help their.

                                    5 - Noob Game matchmaker not sure how this wouldn't be abused ?

                                    6 - the plan was to have the rating in matchmaker hidden with your league rank but nobody has got around to doing this yet

                                    7 - we don't have that kind of of disposable budge to be paying this streamer over this one and then i just resolves in drama for why X got sponcerd over Y and then the game is more complex than just one streams worth.

                                    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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                                    • nflandersN
                                      nflanders @Anachronism_
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                                      @penguin_ said in What would be an efficient use of FAF's funds to improve FAF?:

                                      but not even close to enough money to do things like try to get the IP for FA

                                      What is the cost of copyright for SC:FA? (I mean the rights to publish SC:FA that Nordic Games owns)

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                                      • RoweyR
                                        Rowey @nflanders
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                                        @nflanders nobody knows due to nobody could get a response. More that we could afford.

                                        "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock

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                                        • nflandersN
                                          nflanders @Rowey
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                                          @rowey said in What would be an efficient use of FAF's funds to improve FAF?:

                                          @nflanders nobody knows due to nobody could get a response. More that we could afford.

                                          I read old topics, they wrote that Nordic is the only company that responded. Nordics wrote that the source code is lost. Did they ask about buying rights?

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                                          • BlackYpsB
                                            BlackYps
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                                            Square enix bought the IP. It's impossible to geht a response from them and buying the IP would be pretty useless to us anyway.

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