M28AI Devlog (v148)

maudlin27

@tyne141 Thanks, yes it's a known bug that'll be fixed in the next release

maudlin27

v10 Release

Special active shielding logic - in theory it allows M28 to survive a mavor. In practice, the few times it works it will probably just give it 6 more seconds before it dies
Adjustments to zone creation so on maps like adaptive dark card the central island isn't treated as part of the start zone
Optimisation of the experimental bomber logic including spreading it over different ticks where there are large numbers, along with a bugfix so it doesnt target land scouts
Support for SC UEF Mission 1 of the campaign (M28 is now able to beat it on hard with no assistance)
Improved support for FA Mission 6 - M28 is now capable of capturing the control centre, and should no longer reclaim it if the enemy captures it
MML shot synchronisation to help overwhelm TMD
Various ecoing adjustments to try and make M28 spend more mass upgrading mexes
6 other changes and fixes, including stopping ACUs suiciding near PD that is near the start (e.g. civilian PD on adaptive dark card, or campaign missions which start with nearby enemy PD), fixing a bug that meant it didnt work on a couple of maps (e.g. Abhor and Concord Lake), and fixing a bug that prevented SMD being built

Acknowledgements

Fearghal (highlighting issue with SMDs not being built; also later confirmed by tyne141)
Radde – several replays against a 1.5 resource mod M28
J_W_W and Relent0r – errors where M28 wouldn’t work on a couple of maps
Pedro_Lima – highlighting FA Mission 6 issues with capturing the control centre
Unknown – I made a note that someone had highlighted one of the custom campaigns where M28 attacks PD at the start, but can’t find the comment now (I recall it was an issue either with golden crystals or raid. Since golden crystals has PD near the start I’m assuming it was that map, and a bugfix made more generally looks like it’s solved that issue).
Russtymango Naval replay
(sorry if I missed anyone out – I had some rl issues so wasn’t able to look at a number of points for a while)

maudlin27

v11 Release
These changes were mostly based on the UEF M2 of the SC campaign, along with optimising the map pathing at the start of the game.

Significant reduction in the time taken to generate pathing on certain maps. One improvement was for maps with islands, where for example on Selkie Isle the time taken reduced from 172s to 21s. Another improvement was for maps with lots of mexes. For example on Strip mine this reduced the time taken from 80s to 42s.
M28 can now use transports to drop engineers at far away locations on the same island. For example, it may try a transport drop on maps usch as strip mine.
Added 'first land second air' transport rush build order for certain maps
Added partial support for M2 of the UEF SC campaign. In particular, M28 will now try and drop an engineer at the objective, repair it, and build up a base to defend it from the attacks (although it will get overrun on hard difficulty).
More than 30 adjustments to try and improve M28's combat performance on M2, including better handling of the unit cap when higher tech units aren't available, greater use of MMLs (which should also be used more aggressively), an increased limit on the number of gunships to be built, and a few other refinements to air targeting and production logic. Following these, M28 is able to complete M2 on easy provided the human player handles the 'send x tanks, AA and gunships to this location and then send civilians away' objective.
Reduced the amount of mexes M28 should try and upgrade at once

maudlin27

v12-v13 Release
Almost all these changes were for UEF M3 and M4 of the SC campaign (with 15 changes made for M3 and 26 for M4). Examples of some of the changes:

M28 should now support campaign objectives involving reclaiming a unit (such as arnold's black box)
Improved logic with high numbers of air units, including a cap on gunship and intie/asf numbers and an increase in air staging (to avoid e.g. inties permanently being low on fuel)
Fixed a bug with torp bombers that could prevent units being targeted.
Added a workaround for a bug with SC M3 that can make it impossible for the game to end
Improved support for unit restrictions that allow a higher tech factory to be built but not engineers of that tech level (e.g. M4 of the campaign)
M28 should be more likely to try and attack the enemy base with land experimentals when it's on another island
Increased the types of units TML should try and target (and TMD should try and cover)

v13 - Hotfix to disable some testing code that would apply with AiX

maudlin27

v14 Release
More campaign mission support - I've summarised the missions below along with some examples of changes that will be of wider relevance:

UEF M5 - 5 Changes (including shrinking starting land zones, and providing a niche strategy to overwhelm the enemy with nukes)
UEF M6 - 12 Changes, mostly focused on naval/torpedo bomber usage, including a number of bugfixes
Cybran M1 - 6 Changes, focused around use of bombers (only likely to be relevant if playing with unit restrictions or in niche scenarios)
Cybran M2 - 28 (!!) changes. This mission was a real pain to get to work, and many of the changes were just campaign specific points, although more general points included improving the accuracy of logic for identifying nearby water zones, and reducing the likelihood of island expansions overbuilding units if on a large island.
8 Misc changes and bugfixes for various niche scenarios (e.g. expansion areas being better at judging whether to build indirect fire units; units in expansion areas being more aggressive if the enemy is almost in range of the last zone to retreat to)

Acknowledgements

Sprouto - providing some code to try and mitigate issues where orders weren’t being processed – it didn’t fix the issue I had at the time (a strange one where an engineer would be given a move order nearby yet fail to move), but I’ve left the code in incase it’s of help for a potential future issue.
Pedro_Lima – Mentioning that M28’s ACU was being a bit too aggressive and dying on one of the Seraphim campaign maps.

Saver

@maudlin27

Hello Mauldin,

I've played games with the M28 and the UVESO mod with a buddy or alone in the last few days, unfortunately 3/4 of them always broke off in the combo. The last test was today because it ran yesterday. Unfortunately, today I only had game breaks after about 1 - 5 minutes. I have a log and an Unhandled Exception report. .. Your AI alone is otherwise stable.Unhandled Exception.txt game_20377122.log
https://replay.faforever.com/20377181

Saver

Here's a replay that went really well. https://replay.faforever.com/20378257
same setting, different map

maudlin27

@saver Thanks, there was an error that replay highlighted which will be fixed in the next version. I doubt it was the cause of the crash, but I've not been able to reproduce it (trying twice on that map with only Uveso and M28 mods and once with the same mods you had in the replay), so there's a chance it was connected to that or something else has changed that has fixed it. It's also possible it was linked to the unit restrictions, as there was an incompatibility with the stone age mod (which will be fixed in the next release) so maybe the fix for the cause of that incompatibilty helped in some way.

Saver

Hi Maudlin, thanks for the feedback. I don't know if it's relevant, but the error mostly occurred on 20x20 maps.

maudlin27

v15 changes (I forgot to post a summary at the time)
Support added for Cybran SC campaign missions 3-6, including:

M3 - 5 changes, including making 'island beachhead' units less suicidal where enemies are further away
M4 - 5 changes, including making M28 more likely to build navy on larger naval maps, and adding a bunch of campaign specific logic to deal with the headache of losing the game if the AI attacks the enemy base
M5 - 3 changes, including bombers considering water based targets when lots are available
M6 - 24 (!!) changes, another real pain of a mission, because the first objective is really hard (for a below average player) particularly with FAF balance. Even at AiX 2.0 M28 couldn't beat this on easy initially, but after a large number of changes including a bunch of mission specific logic it can often handle it on hard at 1.0. M28 can also now fire black sun.
Added billy nuke defence logic
2 Misc changes, including land factories being less likely to upgrade at the same time as others.

Acknowledgements

FenixThorn – replay highlighting issues with M28 upgrading multiple HQs at once

maudlin27

v16 changes
Support added for Aeon mission 1 - with the possible exception of Cybran mission 4 (where attacking the enemy fails the game) this was the hardest mission to get working for the AI. Challenges include starting on land but not being able to build any land or air factories; having a small area of water to build on (that means M28's 'marker'/reference point for this water zone was outside the playable area), and the enemy having a massive load of defences that outrange any unit that can be built (with SAMs crushing T1 bombers, and groups of 5 T2 torpedo launchers crushing frigates and submarines). After finally getting M28 able to overwhelm the defences, I then discovered some of them don't die when reduced to 0 health.

Reworked water zone generation logic to reduce the number of very small/narrow zones (that would mess with unit logic due to units thinking there are no enemies in an adjacent zone)
Reworked naval combat decisions so e.g. subs and frigates no longer end up suiciding into enemy torpedo launchers, or commencing an attack and then aborting just after starting to take fire from the torpedo launchers (the same logic should apply to enemy naval units as well)
26 other changes relating to mission 1, many of which are naval related
12 more general changes, including hopefully fixing an incompatibility with the stone age mod, making M28 more likely to go second air when in a rear position, and improving logic used by engineers to reclaim enemy units

Acknowledgements

Sladow – flagging the incompatibility with the stone age mod
Saver – replay with error/crash

Saver

Hello again, I played a test game in Develope mode and had a freeze with the UVESO Mod and the M28. Unfortunately, since I didn't know exactly where to post it, I thought I'd report it to you.cc7ce80d-1734-490e-ae16-d6d00d26f0c2-game_20414430.log Unfortunately I only have the logs because I didn't create a Replay ID.

Saver

I'm sorry if this is out of place here.

maudlin27

@saver Hard to tell from the logs with game crashes as usually the reason for the crash doesn't appear, but there was an error with M28 highlighted by the log that I'll fix for the next version.

maudlin27

v17 changes
These changes were mostly based on replays received, along with some improvements for M2 of the Aeon SC campaign.

20 Changes and bugfixes based on replays, including:

Fixed bug that prevented M28 building navy on most maps
Expanded TMD to cover from cruisers and missile ships
Improved initial build order, particularly for going second air with AiX mods of between 1.1-2
Fixed a bug causing M28 to upgrade T1 land factories way too early

8 changes to improve performance on Aeon mission 2

Note that M28 won't work properly on this mission as there are some issues with the underlying mission code itself - separate pull requests have been done to resolve these issues, although even if accepted it's unknown how long it would take for the missions on the FAF client to reflect the latest versions of the missions.

Acknowledgements:

Fenix Thorn – Replay highlighting M28 failing to go navy on Setons, and another replay highlighting land units trying to engage land scouts when on water
Saver – Log highlighting an error where M28 would try and get the zone information of a location outside the map.
Radde – Several replays highlighting significant flaws with M28’s early game build orders.

Saver

hello, here is a replay 3vs3 without bugs ^^ https://replay.faforever.com/20437080

v_k

Hey,
thanks a lot for the mod. Last update with proper navy support/attack is quite fun.

Here's a replay with a bug ; units are stacked in front of M28 base and do not attack until someone goes in range, which kinda "unlock" the units. It is obvisouly related to the map, but maybe the underlying pathfinding or whatever bug could be tracked down.

https://replay.faforever.com/20444561

Thanks again

maudlin27

@v_k said in M28AI Devlog (v17):

units are stacked in front of M28 base and do not attack until someone goes in range, which kinda "unlock" the units. It is obvisouly related to the map, but maybe the underlying pathfinding or whatever bug could be tracked down.

Thanks, I dont think it's a bug - rather M28 didn't think its units would win if it committed them, so it kept them back out of range of the firebase (so working as intended, even if in the specific situation it might have been better to try and launch a last ditch attack).

maudlin27

v18 Summary
c.46 changes containing a mix of campaign support and improvements based on a wide range of replays:

Support for Aeon mission 3 (3 changes, mainly relating to some more niche cases on how naval units are used when the enemy navy is dead)
Support for Aeon mission 4 (3 changes mostly relating to unit cap issues)
Aeon mission 5 - another painful mission to get working (in part due to how long it takes to get to later parts of the mission, making testing a chore):
-Special code to (usually) complete the 'build shield' objective
-Special code to (usually) complete the 'build SMD' objective
-17 changes mostly relating to issues with campaign map where an area is pathable when the full map is revealed, but not pathable at the current stage (i.e. in theory land units can reach the UEF base on the full map. However at the time you ahve the objective they can't, meaning you ahve to build land factories on the UEF side of the map as it's anti-air defence is virtually unbeatable)
-T3 Mobile artillery should now try and target enemy buildings in an adjacent plateau (although note on some maps like air wars this leads to the artillery being stuck due to issues with the game engine)
4 Changes re Ice-iX Setons replay (transport issues and fixing a major bug that would cause engineers to stay idle)
5 Changes re Cadmium Green to improve M28's initial build order
2 minor Changes re FenixThorn setons replay
4 changes re Radde 1v1 replay (mostly improving M28's early game decisions on building factories and upgrading factories, including some bugfixes relating to this), and 3 changes re a 2v2 replay (tweaks to its shield defence logic)
2 changes re Saver 3v3 replay and V_k replay (MMLs should be more likely to attack firebases and fixed a bug that messed up how Seraphim T2 destroyers are used)

Acknowledgements

Ice-IX – Setons replay highlighting M28 transport difficulties
Relent0r – flagging M28’s poor build order/upgrade decision on cadmium green
FenixThorn – Setons replay
Radde – 1v1 mapgen replay (highlighting various issues causing M28 to go for land factory upgrades with no units) and 2v2
Saver – 3v3 mapgen replay
V_k replay – which revealed a bug with M28’s use of Seraphim destroyers

maudlin27

v19 summary
35 changes, including support for Aeon M6 and improved special shield defence logic. M28 should now support every FA and SC campaign map (note it's not been tested on custom campaign missions).

10 changes for Aeon M6, including trying to reduce the likelihood T3 arti target units near the control centre (and kill the centre)
20466700 - Improvements to handling of longer range naval units, including reducing the likelihood units think their shots are blocked and move closer to the enemy; Reduced likelihood engineers will be stuck trying to reclaim; Improved engineer expansion speed on maps like setons
UEF M2 - Added new firebase logic to (sometimes) defend the station from upcoming Aeon attacks on hard difficulty (previously M28 couldn't complete the map on hard due to this)
20476753 - 13 changes, including shield defence improvements and redundancies including fixing a bug preventing units from completing a part-constructed shield; Ahwassa targeting improvement; Reduced asf/intie suicidal tendancies for units getting near to a base; expanded logic for clearing engineers whose orders are redundant when a building finishes construction
4 other changes - mostly relating to pathing fixes/redundancies (more noticeable on 20km+ sized maps)

Acknowledgements

Radde – 6 replays (4 2v2s, 2 5v5s)
Ice-IX – M27vsM28 replay