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    FAF version (GPG, unknown & inactive author map rework)

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    • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
      svenni_badbwoi
      last edited by svenni_badbwoi

      Theta Passage - FAF version .v0001
      from original FA map (v60): SCMP_012

      Issue 8
      FAF version ensures a mirrored/balanced heightmap.

      --> GPG vs FAF version
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      Issue 7 & 9
      -ensures balanced/mirrored marker, units/structures and props
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      -->10 mass rocks + marker
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      Its really hard to find a good prop solution for Theta Passage. Simply mirroring one original side will not match the original reclaim numbers (mass, energy), because we are going to mirror unbalanced/uneven sides. That's why I distributed the props evenly around the whole middle mountain. I used the props from "Adaptive Theta Passage" as basis. Added some "pod" props to the bottom plateau and reached almost the same mass (+11) and energy (+3) as the original. I'm still open for suggestions or even a finished prop export for import and testing.
      alt text

      AI Marker
      added from Adaptive Theta Passage --> No air marker displayed
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      Note
      Mid base difference between Vanilla (v56) and FA (v60) map version
      alt text

      Creator of:

      • My maps
      • FAF version
      • Supreme Props
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      • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
        svenni_badbwoi
        last edited by svenni_badbwoi

        Setons Clutch - FAF version .v0004
        115° angle based rework from original FA map (v60): SCMP_009
        115 angle.png

        Issue 3, 15 & 15a
        FAF version ensures symmetrical heightmap, marker, decals, props, units and no rush radius. 180° rotation based on 115° angle of original content.

        Heightmap
        There is no longer an extra land-water path for amphibious units on the top side of the map (see Issue 14). Both islands should now behave the same when nuked.
        heightmap_compare.png

        Marker
        Almost every resource marker & spawn had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).

        --> Front
        front.jpg

        --> Rock
        setons_rock_fix.jpg

        --> Beach
        beach.jpg

        --> Air
        air.jpg

        --> Island
        "Too close the the edge" error resolved: The AI cannot use resource markers that are closer than 8 game units to the edge of the map.
        setons_island_fix.jpg

        Props
        The 180° rotation of the props results in a slight increase of mass and energy.
        687b8b94-72ae-4ac3-a9d5-c562a194a767-image.png

        Units
        In order to largely maintain the middle, the existing positions of the UEF units were used to determine the 180 ° position of the corresponding Cybran units (except Destroyer). In this undertaking, the mass distribution was adjusted. The mass difference is 0.
        UEF (bottom): 6128 mass > 5350 mass // -2 titans
        Cybran (top): 4376 mass > 5154 mass // +2 Loyalists
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        Issue 14
        The known bug in the heightmap has been removed. There is no longer an extra land-water path for amphibious units on the top side of the map.
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        Issue 16
        The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air marker displayed
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        Issue 16b
        The waves got lost while mapping in v0003. They got re-added in v0004.

        Creator of:

        • My maps
        • FAF version
        • Supreme Props
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        • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
          svenni_badbwoi
          last edited by svenni_badbwoi

          Syrtis Major - FAF version .v0002
          top based rework from original FA map (v60): SCMP_017

          Issue 2, 17 & 21
          FAF version ensures symmetrical marker, props, structures and no rush radius.
          The 180° rotation of the props and structure rework results in a total increase of 309 mass and 430 energy (see below).
          Almost every resource marker & spawn had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).

          Marker
          --> ARMY_1
          alt text

          --> ARMY_3
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          Props
          The 180° rotation of the props results in a slight increase of mass and energy.
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          Structures
          In the middle and on the sides, the distribution and the sum of mass has been adjusted.
          An energy generator has been added to the middle to compensate for the loss of an 61 mass Structure. An energy storage (203 mass) has also been added to the mid to compensate for the T2 AA (324 mass) which is closer to player 2.
          mid base: 3606 mass > 3806 mass
          top base: 231 mass > 304 mass
          bottom base: 341 mass > 304 mass
          The total unit based mass gain is 236 mass.
          alt text

          Issue 18
          The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air marker displayed
          alt text

          Creator of:

          • My maps
          • FAF version
          • Supreme Props
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          • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
            svenni_badbwoi
            last edited by svenni_badbwoi

            Crossfire Canal - FAF version .v0002
            bottom based rework from original FA map (v60): SCMP_024

            Issue 22
            ARMY spawns set to odd vs even. Needed for Team Match Maker (TMM).
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            Issue 1 & 19
            FAF version ensures symmetrical marker and props.
            Almost every resource marker & spawn had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).

            Marker
            --> ARMY_2
            alt text

            --> ARMY_4 (former ARMY_3)
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            --> ARMY_6 (former ARMY_5)
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            Props
            The 180° rotation of the props does not change the mass and energy values.
            alt text

            Issue 20
            The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air and amphibuous marker displayed
            alt text

            Creator of:

            • My maps
            • FAF version
            • Supreme Props
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            • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
              svenni_badbwoi
              last edited by svenni_badbwoi

              Red Rocks - FAF version .v0001
              bottom based rework from unknown author map (v56): Red Rocks

              Issue 23
              FAF version ensures symmetrical props. The 180° rotation of the props results in a slight increase of mass and energy.
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              Issue 24a
              The FAF version ensures symmetrical marker.
              Almost every resource & spawn marker had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).

              --> ARMY_1
              alt text

              Issue 24b
              The map now contains improved AI marker and ensures the use of all mexes through the AI (to close to the edge bug resolved) --> No air marker displayed
              alt text

              Creator of:

              • My maps
              • FAF version
              • Supreme Props
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              • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                svenni_badbwoi
                last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                Loki - FAF version .v0004
                left and right based rework from unknown author map (v56): Loki.v0003

                Issue 25
                FAF version ensures symmetrical props (right based rework). The 180° rotation of the props results in an decrease of mass and energy.
                props_compare.png

                Issue 25a
                The FAF version ensures symmetrical marker (left based rework). Every resource & spawn marker had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).
                left based marker rework.png

                Issue 25b
                The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air marker displayed
                AI_marker_compare.png

                Issue - Water Reflections
                Because of the Water Shader Improvements the following water properties were lowered in .v0004
                Sun reflection 3.5 > 1.25
                Sky reflection: 1.5 > 0.5
                Loki - FAFversion 0004.png

                Note:
                The units and structures are scripted (invincible walls, lowered mass for all placed units). These remain unchanged despite slight differences, since the low mass value is not an advantage.

                Creator of:

                • My maps
                • FAF version
                • Supreme Props
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                • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                  svenni_badbwoi
                  last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                  Forbidden Pass - FAF version .v0004
                  150° angle based rework from Krapougnak´s (inactive author) map (v56): Forbidden Pass v4

                  150_white_used.png

                  Issue 4a, 4b & 4d
                  FAF version ensures symmetrical heightmap, strata, decals & marker (180° rotation based on 150° angle of original content). Every resource & spawn marker had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position.

                  --> Original heightmap 180° rotation Video-Demo

                  heightmap, strata, decals, marker compare.jpg

                  Amphibious Passage
                  To avoid confusion, decals were added to the amphibious mountain passage. All amphibious units can use the passage, except experimentals.
                  amphibious passage through mountain.png

                  Issue 4
                  FAF version ensures symmetrical props (180° rotation based on 150° angle of original content). The 180° rotation of the props results in a slight increase of mass and energy.
                  props_value_diff.png

                  Issue 4c
                  The map now contains improved AI marker and ensures the use of all mexes through the AI (to close to the edge bug resolved) --> No air marker displayed
                  AI_marker_compare.png

                  Creator of:

                  • My maps
                  • FAF version
                  • Supreme Props
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                  • K Offline
                    keyser
                    last edited by

                    about loki, what have you done to close by reclaim ? you used the props from the base with the lowest amount of reclaim and copied them to the other spawn ?

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                    • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                      svenni_badbwoi @keyser
                      last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                      @keyser
                      In coordination with the ladder team, the lowest reclaim value was used. I copied the props on the right side and shifted them by 180 ° to the left side.
                      props_compare_4_ppssibilities.png

                      Creator of:

                      • My maps
                      • FAF version
                      • Supreme Props
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                      • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                        svenni_badbwoi
                        last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                        White Fire - FAF version .v0002
                        top and bottom based rework from original FA map (v60): SCMP_033
                        includes changes from White Fire v4 (v56)

                        Issue 26
                        FAF version ensures symmetrical props and wreckage (bottom based rework).

                        Props
                        The 180° rotation of the props results in an decrease of mass and energy.
                        white_fire_props_bottom_based.png

                        Wreckage
                        The shipwrecks were removed like in White Fire v4 and the T3 naval factory wrecks have been placed symmetrical.
                        structures_compare.png

                        Issue 26a
                        The FAF version ensures symmetrical marker (top based rework). Every resource & spawn marker had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).
                        Marker_rework_top_based.png

                        Issue 26b
                        The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air marker displayed
                        ai_compare.png

                        Note
                        The GPG version (SCMP_033) and White Fire v4 have different lighting. The values of the GPG version were used for the FAF version.
                        ligthing differences.png

                        Creator of:

                        • My maps
                        • FAF version
                        • Supreme Props
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                        • Brutus5000B Offline
                          Brutus5000 FAF Server Admin
                          last edited by Brutus5000

                          Amazing how much time was spent on this! Love it!
                          How did you analyze this differences? All manual or any tooling for the grid?

                          He said, "I've been to the year 3000
                          Not much has changed, but they live underwater
                          And your great-great-great-granddaughter
                          Is playin' FAF, playin' FAF"

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                          • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                            svenni_badbwoi @Brutus5000
                            last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                            @Brutus5000 Until now I did everything manual. The prop stats can be checked via FAF Editor.

                            Creator of:

                            • My maps
                            • FAF version
                            • Supreme Props
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                            • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                              svenni_badbwoi
                              last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                              Tag Craftious Maximus - FAF version .v0004
                              78° angle based rework of TAG_Rock's (inactive author)map (v56): Tag_Craftious Maximus
                              78 angle.png

                              Issue 13 & 13a
                              FAF version ensures symmetrical heightmap, textures/strata, decals, marker and props (180° rotation based on 78° angle of original content). Every resource & spawn marker had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position.
                              heightmap_marker compare.svg.jpg

                              Textures/Strata
                              The unsightly mountain and grass textures in the water have been extensively revised.
                              strata_compare.png

                              Props
                              FAF version ensures symmetrical props (180° rotation based on 78° angle of original content). The 180° rotation of the props results in a slight increase of mass and energy.
                              tcm_props.png

                              Issue 13b
                              The map now contains AI marker --> No air marker displayed
                              new_ai_marker.png

                              Issue 13c
                              Due to the different heightmap depending slope calculation for structure placement the hydro on the bottom-left could not be build in v0001. The hydro at bottom-left and top-right (+ mass marker around it) have been move 3 in game units to the map center, to ensure that all hydros can be build. The same issue leads to factorys that cannot be build on the left side, if 1-2 in game units are used. See here for more information.

                              Issue 13d
                              Tweaked water settings and added waves.
                              Color Lerp Max: 0.101 -> 0.036
                              Refelction Sun: 1.100 -> 2.480

                              Creator of:

                              • My maps
                              • FAF version
                              • Supreme Props
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                              • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                                svenni_badbwoi
                                last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                                Setons Clutch - FAF version.v0003 is in the vault. After further coordination, a 115 ° angle was chosen for the rework. The first FAF version was bottom based.

                                Thanks to @Sheikah and his MapTransformer, the rework was easier than ever.

                                Creator of:

                                • My maps
                                • FAF version
                                • Supreme Props
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                                • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                                  svenni_badbwoi
                                  last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                                  I just uploaded tag_craftious_maximus_-_faf_version.v0003 to the vault to bypass this problem:

                                  @Tagada told me that one hydro cant be build on tag_craftious_maximus_-_faf_version.v0001
                                  alt text

                                  Since the heightmap and marker placement looks okay, I did some testing with @Sheikah -thanks a lot- and we narrowed it down to a slope calculation error/difference. Because the broken hydro gets fixed when it gets gets rotated/mirrored it to the right side and the working hydro breaks if it gets rotated/mirrored to the left side. heightmap was rotated/mirrored as well!
                                  alt text

                                  Because of the way the slope gets calculated the hydros/structures behave differently on the left and right side of the map. The same issue occurs with factories, if the marker are moved step by step to the map center.

                                  Vert1.y = ScmapEditor.GetHeight(x + 1, y) * ScaleHeight;
                                  Vert2.y = ScmapEditor.GetHeight(x + 1, y + 1) * ScaleHeight;
                                  Vert3.y = ScmapEditor.GetHeight(x, y + 1) * ScaleHeight;
                                  
                                  float Dot = getSupComSlope(Vert0.y, Vert1.y, Vert2.y, Vert3.y);
                                  static float getSupComSlope(float a, float b, float c, float d)
                                      {
                                          return Mathf.Max(Mathf.Abs(a - b), Mathf.Abs(b - c), Mathf.Abs(c - d), Mathf.Abs(d - a));
                                      }```
                                  
                                  To fix this forever the slope calculation needs to be changed/improved. This reminds me of @Balthazar 's mod that places structures according to slope (and also solves heightmap terraforming issues). Maybe parts of it could be integrated into FAF some day.

                                  Creator of:

                                  • My maps
                                  • FAF version
                                  • Supreme Props
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                                  • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                                    svenni_badbwoi
                                    last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                                    Seraphim Glaciers - FAF version .v0001
                                    77° angle and top based rework from original FA map (v60): SCMP_008

                                    Issue 38
                                    FAF version ensures symmetrical heightmap (except middle island). 180° rotation based on 77° angle of original content.

                                    Issue 38a
                                    FAF version ensures symmetrical marker (except middle island), no rush radius and props. Top based 180° rotation based on top half of original content.

                                    Marker
                                    ARMY spawns have been adjusted for Team Match Maker (TMM).
                                    army_compare.png

                                    Almost every resource marker & spawn had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).
                                    alt text

                                    Props
                                    The 180° rotation of the props does not change the mass and energy values.
                                    760d2e12-696e-44d9-93fb-48f26e695996-image.png

                                    Issue 38b
                                    The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air marker displayed
                                    ai_compare(no_air)2.jpg

                                    Creator of:

                                    • My maps
                                    • FAF version
                                    • Supreme Props
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                                    • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                                      svenni_badbwoi
                                      last edited by svenni_badbwoi

                                      The Bermuda Locket - FAF version .v0001
                                      bottom-right based rework from original FA map (v60): SCMP_014
                                      315 - BOTTOM-RIGHT.png

                                      Issue 31 & 31a
                                      FAF version ensures symmetrical heightmap, textures/strata, decals, marker, no rush radius and props (180° rotation based on bottom-right of original content).

                                      Marker
                                      ARMY spawns have been adjusted for Team Match Maker (TMM).
                                      army_change.png

                                      Almost every resource marker & spawn had to be moved to the corresponding 180 ° position (gray circle).
                                      marker_change.png

                                      Props
                                      FAF version ensures symmetrical props (180° rotation based on bottom-right of original content). The 180° rotation of the props results in a slight increase of mass and energy.
                                      a9375438-f1fe-416e-919f-cae4790f9bdc-image.png

                                      Issue 31b
                                      The map now contains improved AI marker --> No air marker displayed
                                      bermude_ai_compare (no_air).png

                                      .

                                      Thanks again to @Sheikah for his MapTransformer and the consumer-friendly customer support 😁

                                      Creator of:

                                      • My maps
                                      • FAF version
                                      • Supreme Props
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                                      • svenni_badbwoiS Offline
                                        svenni_badbwoi
                                        last edited by

                                        The waves got lost while mapping in Setons Clutch - FAF version.v0003. They got re-added in Setons Clutch - FAF version .v0004.
                                        gl hf

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                                        • Sir-PrizeS Offline
                                          Sir-Prize
                                          last edited by Sir-Prize

                                          Bump - Arctic Refuge is imbalanced in favour of the northern spawn(s) due to the trucks on the northern side of the civ base in the middle being worth thousands of mass. The buildings are also slightly weighted to the north as well - when I tested it I got about 3k more mass that was obviously northern in the Civ base than I got out of obviously southern mass. Didn't count stuff in the middle.

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                                          • archsimkatA Offline
                                            archsimkat
                                            last edited by

                                            Another thing is that the hostile civilian trucks are prioritized by default over the hostile pd, not sure if that's desirable.

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