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    Something should be done about blatant T1 power creep.

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    • Pearl12P Offline
      Pearl12
      last edited by Pearl12

      Try the mass equivalent in titans, not a monkeylord.

      All you've shown is that monkeys aren't good at killing mass t1 spam, not that t1 spam is OP. I could similarly ask a strat bomber to kill inties and complain that the inties are OP, when in fact, strat bombers are not made to kill inties.

      Additionally, you've chosen a map with a lot of wide-open spaces. Yes, on maps like that, spam rules. But if spam is so OP, why is it barely ever seen on even semi-closed maps like Canis?

      Most games end in the t1 stage because someone makes a mistake and the game doesn't last long, not because t1 is better than t2 or t3.

      Lastly, you aren't considering the efficiency of having all the dps in one place. If you want to do 4000 dps to something, do you throw 360 t1 maas at it? Really? What about 8k or 12k dps? How are you going to field 1000 t1 maas? How are you going to make them? A monkeylord takes 27500 seconds to make; 300 t1 maa, 66000, and that excludes roll-off time.

      For some context (because I personally have not seen t1 spam "20-30 minutes into the games on ladder and in every teamgame that is not astrocrater"): what maps are you playing and what rank level? You're talking as if you played astro all your life, tried 3 wonders, and are balking at the fact that people build things besides GCs and t3 artillery. If t1 spam is really "blatant power creep," then go ahead and make t1 spam 20-30 minutes into a ladder or teamgame vs. 1500+ players on a semi-closed map, and tell us how that goes.

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      • TheVVheelboyT Offline
        TheVVheelboy
        last edited by TheVVheelboy

        Look man.
        I sandboxed it and even the best T3 unit is losing to mantis!
        Friggin percies are getting mauled to death by t1 units...
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5cyXHTsdRc&feature=youtu.be

        And that is mantis, imagine what they would do to monkey lord who lost to stupid t1 maa?!

        Maps? I play the only good maps like Open wonder or pyramids with some ladder sprinkled in to keep it fresh. And even on ladder the t1 units are simply overpowered man.

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        • Pearl12P Offline
          Pearl12
          last edited by Pearl12

          "In this completely contrived scenario that doesn't at all represent real-world settings, something undesirable happens!"

          Great. Respond to my other points.

          For starters, I said titans, not percies. Again, percies are not made to kill t1. There's a reason for that.

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          • FemtoZettaF Offline
            FemtoZetta
            last edited by FemtoZetta

            I found something even worse... https://youtu.be/yOca8CRmnu0
            What is the balance team even doing at this point?

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            • Pearl12P Offline
              Pearl12
              last edited by Pearl12

              So... you guys are trolling, right? Cause that is genuinely a hilarious video.

              ________ (every unit you're picking) is not meant to kill ________ (every unit you're putting them against).

              You keep putting units with high alpha against many units with minimal health. Of course they are losing.

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              • F Offline
                FunkOff
                last edited by

                These are troll videos. The spider guy intentionally walks the spider into the middle of the horde. The Megalith guy doesnt shoot the tightly groups clusters of engineers. If either were microed competently, the XPs would win by a long shot.

                Other more technical reasons why T1 is not OP take longer to explain and I won't cast pearls before swine.

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                • Pearl12P Offline
                  Pearl12
                  last edited by

                  Should have looked at your rank in the first vid, Khada. Nice troll. šŸ™‚

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                  • Dragun101D Offline
                    Dragun101
                    last edited by Dragun101

                    But guys T1 is OP (unless they changed this if FAF) cause perfect LAB Micro = Dead ACU. (Would love to see that actually happen as an aside)

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                    • Pearl12P Offline
                      Pearl12
                      last edited by

                      What's the mass equivalent of an ACU in labs? XD

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                      • AzraaaA Offline
                        Azraaa
                        last edited by

                        Theres a ladder video wheres I think thomas or someone else wins with pure labs. Though good troll. I'll take the F. Lol

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