M28AI Devlog (v327)
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v326 Hotfix
Fixed a bug introduced in the last version relating to naval factories -
Hello!
I found two more exotic maps where the M28 is significantly weaker.-
The Flat map. No terrain, no trees or rocks, 1 mex per player, huge open space. I consistently win under these conditions. Here’s a replay with the latest version of the M28. https://replay.faforever.com/27913558
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The ACU Lab 1 map. No resource sources, 5x5 km, 8 players. I played 4 vs 4, all AI — M28. If there isn’t a random massive attack on me while I’m upgrading the ACU to T2, my team will win. Perhaps the tactic for 4 players should be to upgrade one of them to T2 while the others defend and share resources — which is exactly what I managed to do. Here’s the replay of that battle:
https://replay.faforever.com/27913954
P.S. Was there any change related to distancing from exploding objects, such as reactors, if they are planning to explode?
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I got curious. I took advantage of the discovered weakness to defeat the AIX M28 and meet the requirement for the Sladow trophy.
https://replay.faforever.com/27914091Moreover, Flat meets the requirements for the second award. But right now I don’t have enough time, and I’ll need several attempts.
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I decided to review these replays myself and found that they cut off on the server, and only the local file contains the full version of the replay. I’ll write to Discord and ask why this happens regularly. Maybe it’s because of playing with bots? So I’ll post the local files for each battle here so everyone can see them in full:
27913558: https://drive.google.com/file/d/10C1GUIyGMwyNuqS4kFKySsv3lzRq_NSm/view?usp=drive_link
27913954: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-a2jE9r0zufjEbSEbBgG5aPW4cehmyCn/view?usp=drive_link
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I found out that when launching FAF locally, replays are not recorded and cannot be saved. I apologizing for any time that may have been wasted, as I was sure that match 27914091 was a victory over AIX-M28, but in fact it was the previous one, which ended due to an accidental indication of ACU movement.
At that time, I couldn’t launch the game on the server. And, accordingly, the local game simply wasn’t recorded.
I deliberately launched the game again under the same conditions and roughly repeated the tactic, but this time on the FAF server.
Replay 27948977. The version on the server keeps breaking somewhere in the middle, so I’m sending it again via Google Drive:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1avEgW_geQoEnblfQSGrlzB-CDPoyurst/view?usp=drive_link -
@Malitarh For future reference if playing offline then the replay should be saved as LastGame.SCFAReplay against your profile name (I don't have the normal location to hand though as I use linux now, but it's probably ...Documents/My Games/Gas Powered Games/Supreme Commander Forged Alliance/replays/[Profile name])
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v327 Update
19 changes, including:- Various adjustments to M28's approach to low mex map to add a bit of variety to the initial build order and greater aggression
- Fixed a bug relating to where to place a PD (which could cause issues on some more unusual maps with narrow pathable areas)
- Adjusted land scout logic so the first land scout in a zone should support longer ranged units in that zone instead of moving to a different zone.
Acknowledgements
- Marlitarh - Replay on a map with 0 mexes which highlighted a flaw with M28's assumption it'd have at least 1 mex to upgrade in a game
Trophy award
- Marlitarh - for beating M28 1.5 AIx on a no mex map (assumed - the replay stopped before the end and I was on linux at the time so couldn't run the local replay uploaded, but it was clear from the replay that M28 was headed for a likely loss)
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Here, I reproduced the error that was previously observed. The situation begins at 42-43 minutes. M28-Easy is persistently conducting artillery fire on the hill with the “Fatboy” cannons.
This has happened before as well, through the main part of the mountain, when someone tried to shoot at my main base.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BhLHxx5RMohUgLjZHwm99UjJ3Dp7lpzH/view?usp=drive_linkAnd here, a victory is achieved over the new version 327 on the same map (ACU Lab 1) 2 vs 2. In addition to the fact that this is a trophy, there is an error related to shooting at the ACU Cybran obstacle at minute 8. Although the situation is different, it seems this is a different bug.
Battle #27981000
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@Malitarh Not sure I understand your first point. Is it that the fatboy is firing at something that is blocked by a cliff? If so then this can happen, as unless M28 is comfortable there is almost no threat it will be cautious with the fatboy and not want to move it closer to a target
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@maudlin27 ,
Yes. The first sentence states that Fatboy often fired at targets behind the rock. It seemed to me that this was a logical error, because it was possible to shoot at the object from maximum distance if you positioned yourself at a different angle. In the video attached to the previous message, he could have moved to the right while remaining under the cover of his units.But I understand that sometimes it’s better to try to break through the rock or just stay at a distance than to get closer.
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