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    M28AI Devlog (v324)

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved AI development
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    • maudlin27M Offline
      maudlin27 @Malitarh
      last edited by

      @Malitarh Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately I'd need a working replay to debug the scenarios you described (as I don't think it's likely I could easily reproduce them from the description).

      M27AI and M28AI developer:
      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v81-devlog
      https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v294
      M28 trophy holders: Radde and Yew (Radde trophy, v309) and Radde (Sladow trophy, v319)

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      • maudlin27M Offline
        maudlin27
        last edited by maudlin27

        v323 Update
        28 changes, mostly from a dual gap replay and some typos highlighted by Azrael and c04spoon, including:

        • Dual gap eco slot should be more likely to build a game-ender instead of T3 arti (since T3 arti if built in the rear of the base can't hit much)
        • Asfs should be better at protecting T3 arti from strat snipe attempts
        • Land combat units should, if outranged, be less likely to suicide into the enemy
        • 18 reference/typo fixes to various parts of M28. Since these didn't result in errors previously I expect most will relate to niche parts of the code that rarely trigger.

        Acknowledgements

        • Azrael and c04spoon - linking to separate changes made which amongst other things contained fixes for reference/typo errors

        M27AI and M28AI developer:
        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v81-devlog
        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v294
        M28 trophy holders: Radde and Yew (Radde trophy, v309) and Radde (Sladow trophy, v319)

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          Malitarh
          last edited by Malitarh

          Something was wrong with the FAF, but here’s the replay file — it’s working.
          https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFA9iAgP0QiZyQMGo8L0rIm4pHrFsPk0/view?usp=drive_link

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          • M Offline
            Malitarh
            last edited by

            I played another interesting game. I don’t know if the M28 is designed for the smallest maps (less than 5 km), as well as specific maps like ACU Arena, etc.
            I didn’t find any mention of the map size in the description. But it’s definitely weaker under such conditions.

            I defeated the M28 Adaptive, although on maps larger than 5 km I can’t defeat the M28 Easy, except with a modifier of 0.8.

            Here’s the replay:
            https://replay.faforever.com/27835049

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            • maudlin27M Offline
              maudlin27
              last edited by maudlin27

              Thanks, I'll make a note to have a look. Generally though AIs are much easier to beat on smaller maps compared to larger maps, one reason being players will usually be better with microing their ACU and have fewer parts of the map to focus on at once
              e.g. I'm around 1k rated 1v1 and can comfortably beat M28 on 5km maps, but on 10km maps can only occasionally win.

              M27AI and M28AI developer:
              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v81-devlog
              https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v294
              M28 trophy holders: Radde and Yew (Radde trophy, v309) and Radde (Sladow trophy, v319)

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              • maudlin27M Offline
                maudlin27
                last edited by

                v324 Update
                8 changes, mostly relating to SCTA, including:

                • Adjusted SCTA build order to build wind turbines, and prevented mine layers being built
                • SCTA T2 tactical nukes can be fired by M28
                • Added a limit on how long transports should wait to load more engineers before moving out
                • Low mex map logic shouldn't be applied to sub-5km maps that have more than 2 mexes per player

                Acknowledgements

                • Malitarh - replay on sub-5km map where M28 played poorly (note I need access to the other replay where the ACU was locked in an upgrading-cancel upgrade cycle to look into that issue)

                M27AI and M28AI developer:
                https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v81-devlog
                https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v294
                M28 trophy holders: Radde and Yew (Radde trophy, v309) and Radde (Sladow trophy, v319)

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                  Malitarh @Malitarh
                  last edited by

                  @maudlin27 , Perhaps this wasn’t obvious. I have already sent the replay you were interested in. This is a link to Google Drive in this message:

                  Malitarh said:

                  Something was wrong with the FAF, but here’s the replay file — it’s working.
                  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFA9iAgP0QiZyQMGo8L0rIm4pHrFsPk0/view?usp=drive_link

                  Sorry, it’s not available on the FAF server. Only as a local file.

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                  • maudlin27M Offline
                    maudlin27 @Malitarh
                    last edited by

                    @Malitarh I don't have access to the replay file (I requested access to it at the time)

                    M27AI and M28AI developer:
                    https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v81-devlog
                    https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v294
                    M28 trophy holders: Radde and Yew (Radde trophy, v309) and Radde (Sladow trophy, v319)

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                    • M Offline
                      Malitarh @maudlin27
                      last edited by Malitarh

                      @maudlin27
                      I’ve opened access. Sorry, I very rarely use Google Drive. In many other services, copying an open link already changes the file status to “open to everyone via the link.”

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                      • maudlin27M Offline
                        maudlin27 @Malitarh
                        last edited by

                        @Malitarh Thanks, checking the replay the enemy AI kept trying to TML M28's ACU when it was upgrading, so it'd cancel the upgrade and move the ACU when it could see the TML missile approaching. However I can refine slightly so it considers if it has TMD that will block the missile.

                        Mass storage not being built would've been that M28 didnt have many engineers in its core base as it was focusing on building units since its base was under near-constant attack (and those engineers it did build had more urgent issues to deal with), but I'll look at having T2 land factories build a few engineers even where it has a T3 HQ if it's lacking storages for a t3 mex.

                        M27AI and M28AI developer:
                        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/2373/ai-development-guide-and-m27ai-v81-devlog
                        https://forum.faforever.com/topic/5331/m28ai-devlog-v294
                        M28 trophy holders: Radde and Yew (Radde trophy, v309) and Radde (Sladow trophy, v319)

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