Bring back 1v1 ladder notification like in python FAF

Robogear

Hello, I noticed that 1v1 ladder is currently not in the best condition in terms of player activity
Is it possible to bring back notification that a player of my rating is currently looking for an opponent? Just like what we had in python FAF. I think this will encourage players to play ladder more often

BlackYps

Yes it is possible, there is just nobody working on it at the moment

ThomasHiatt

It's like the single most important feature to keeping ladder alive (especially at higher ratings), but nobody cares. Been asking for it to come back for years.

Lunyshko

If you look at tendencies of high-level 1v1, players simply leaving the game, you can already start estimating the end of the 1v1 scene, since it was a few years of its domination with old players and it will simply be yudi tagada nexus fighting for the top1 because newer players that get to 1800 simply cannot match, if we increase the laddering matches by implementing this notification it would at least bring hope to produce more ladder based 2k players

waffelzNoob

Sorry gerbers we're busy introducing voice commands to the game.

phong

The best way to make this visible to any faf client devs who might implement it is to make an issue on GitHub about it, possibly linking this thread to show those devs there is a great demand for such a feature.

phong

@thewheelienoob didn't know you were a dev. What game or client features do we have you to thank for?

FtXCommando

he proposed the idea of making units in the game

phong

@ftxcommando Stop being so sad! Try being happier your jokes will improve!

waffelzNoob

@phong said in Bring back 1v1 ladder notification like in python FAF:

@thewheelienoob didn't know you were a dev. What game or client features do we have you to thank for?

voice commands

phong

@thewheelienoob that sounds very ambitious, good on you for giving it a go. A lot more respectable than just whining that the devs are working on features you don't want, as many people do. What's your github username?

ThomasHiatt

https://github.com/FAForever/downlords-faf-client/issues/2056
https://github.com/FAForever/downlords-faf-client/issues/2943

Seems like the necessary server code was deleted randomly and/or the issue is just gets closed because TMM exists.

waffelzNoob

@phong said in Bring back 1v1 ladder notification like in python FAF:

@thewheelienoob that sounds very ambitious, good on you for giving it a go. A lot more respectable than just whining that the devs are working on features you don't want, as many people do. What's your github username?

Voicecommands37

phong

@thewheelienoob can't wait to see how your voice command interpreter parses clown noises, but I'm having a hell of a hard time finding your repository to test it out.

What are your thoughts on area reclaim? You can just say it, no need to beat around the bush right?

phong

Just in case anyone is confused by the mediocre trolling, what the server devs are actually working on is stuff like this: https://forum.faforever.com/topic/7640/the-k8s-journey-one-leap-forward?_=1716553673537

the game, the faf client and the server are different things being worked on by different teams. It sounds like this feature requires changes to the server and the client.

I think the suggestion in the OP is great but if I were forced to choose, I'd rather have a fix for the ddos that affects all players faster. That's probably been the no. 1 issue on the devs' list for a while, not "voice commands" or other such assleakage. That being said, if anyone can and would like to work on this feature I would certainly be grateful.

waffelzNoob

@phong said in Bring back 1v1 ladder notification like in python FAF:

@thewheelienoob can't wait to see how your voice command interpreter parses clown noises, but I'm having a hell of a hard time finding your repository to test it out.

What are your thoughts on area reclaim? You can just say it, no need to beat around the bush right?

ideally, we can input area reclaim with voice commands

ThomasHiatt

@phong said in Bring back 1v1 ladder notification like in python FAF:

I think the suggestion in the OP is great but if I were forced to choose, I'd rather have a fix for the ddos that affects all players faster. That's probably been the no. 1 issue on the devs' list for a while, not "voice commands" or other such assleakage. That being said, if anyone can and would like to work on this feature I would certainly be grateful.

The kubernetes post says nothing about resolving the DDoS issue. Does it have anything to do with that? If it does then the post is majorly underselling and failing to communicate.

We had ladder notifications 12 years ago with ancient server code and the Python client. It was supported by the server up until https://github.com/FAForever/server/pull/816. The notifications worked in the Python client a couple years ago when I still played FAF and the Python client was usable. My understanding is this pull request removes the functionality in favor of creating a version that works with more than 1v1 games, but that version does not exist yet, so it seems illogical to remove the existing functionality.

I'm not going to play FAF again either way, but this is just past trauma from being forced to use the Java client which is clearly still not at feature parity with the Python client after many more years of development.

phong

@thomashiatt you're right. There are other posts about that topic though, I'm sure. I linked it because I thought it was fresh info on the kind of stuff server devs are doing, as opposed to jacking off like the clown suggested. My comment about ddos is unrelated to the post I linked, just expressing my opinion.

Python client didn't have mapgen or tmm either. Java's not at feature parity, it surpassed the old client a long time ago. I still hope some devs get around to bringing this notification back though.

The code you mentioned was probably removed from the server because the new client was never programmed to react to whatever this code sent it in the first place. A plan was drawn up to modernize this feature instead of implementing it as it used to be. Why go that route instead of writing the necessary code in the new client to support the old notification?

One of the mentioned reasons in the GitHub post is poor understanding of how it used to work in the first place. In such cases it's faster and better to do things from scratch, at least as far as I know.

The option of "keeping it as it used to be" was off the table as soon as python was abandoned, since half the implementation (the client part) was thrown out. Even if the devs had decided to keep using the old server notification system, the feature we both want would probably still not be done and it would take longer to do and it would only work for 1v1 not tmm as well.

I partly understand your frustration since I've also been waiting for a minor server feature for 9 months, although it affects me way less than this affects you.

Brutus5000

Server != server.

The server admins (mostly @p4block and I) work on server infrastructure. The Kubernetes change is unrelated from DDoS and was planned long before that.

The lobby server development has mostly stalled after TMM development. Major topics and pull requests have never been finished (for example changes required for Galactic War) and the maintainer has stated his lack of time and long term interest. We had that situation before. Barely anybody wants to take the responsibility of the lobby server code. I can't blame anyone, this community is super toxic if you break something.