@exselsior he wasn't 900 to begin with, he was a "0", learning the game as we went. I estimate his skill is at 900 now with how he performs. So 900 is his peak not starting point. All the 100 games in the 4v4 matchmaker with us, is all his games ever on FAF.

@exselsior getting 900 rated player to 1400 in global by casually playing 4v4 matchmaker for 1,5 months seems broken enough for me.

@ftxcommando well it's 4v4 matchmaker so 1v1-ing him wont fix it. And playing 10 4v4 games to troll other people and drop his rating, is a lot of time time invested for something not fun for anyone. Also if he lost 10 games he would drop 81 points given he looses 9 points a loss.

@ftxcommando In our last 20 games we won 10 times and lost 10 times, we are around 50% for a long time already and changes nothing. Im not mad he is inflated, but don't come at me when he joins your game and underperforms hard compared to his rating number. It's not my fault, and it's not his fault.

@exselsior He will climb because our ratings will decline as his is rising. And this is happening right now. We reach our true team rating, we drop some, and then we win again and he keeps running away with his rating. If we loose 4 games in a row and win 2, he looses 4 points more than we do for the lossess, and gains 9 more for the 2 wins, so even such bad streak he is pulling away. Eventually as his rating will be growing ours will decline, even if our true team performance stays the same. Matchmaking will treat 3x 1000 same as 2x 500 and 1x 2000.

@ftxcommando said in League System Feedback Thread:

Then have him play with and against other people. The whole problem is you keep talking about how this dude meets some objective skill level while saying he only plays in a specific subset environment. Of course the rating will be inaccurate, any rating system will make his rating inaccurate. The system is rating your team as the sum of its ratings and gauging a probability of victory based on the enemy team sum rating and then divulging points based on individual player uncertainty. If you guys "only" play with each other then the system can and will never be able to tell who of you is actually the critical piece.

While it is true that our ratings will never be accurate, there is no reason for our teammate to gain more points than us even 100 games in. Same with me and my other teammate. This drifting away between our ratings is ridiculous, if we were gaining same points, or even better our ratings would bu pulled closer together, that'd be much better.

I really believe we will drift away indefinetly and after 5k games we would get absurd results.

@exselsior For every game we loose he looses 1 more point than us, but for every win he gains 4/5 more points than us. And this is after over 100 games. That way he is slowsly but surely overtaking our rating and continue to climb. Our ratings will be underrated and he is already overrated by about 350 points (he's probably around 900 rating skillwise).

What should be done is that after a game the guy with the highest rating gains the least amount of points, and the guy with the lowest gains the most points, that's how it works in 90% of other games using ELO system in team games.
This way while playing together we would settle around equal rating among us.
Currently it seems that the amount of rating gained/lost is tied to how many games you have on your account.

Current system causes unfair matchmaking if we decided to play alone. My rating is underrated, so I'd be smurfing a bit, and our friend will get paired with 1300 rated players while he is 900 in reality, and that affects both ranked 4v4 and custom games, bc his global rating is even more inflated.

For us 3 as long as we play together it doesn't matter, but when we play alone is where the problem with current rating system is apparent.

@thomashiatt I'm not your "dood". If you don't have anything constructive to say, refrain from spamming the thread.

@femboy said in League System Feedback Thread:

@deszcz_pyr as @Burni said, the system is still gauging your friend. Yes they might earn more points now but they can also lose way more points than you. (The system's perception of them is more volatile)

Would make sense if you ignored the fact that he has over 100 ranked games and he is not flactuating but pretty firm, just steadily rising to the moon.

In any game I know If 3 guys play together their ranking will slowly try to close in between them, in FAF we just boost this friend of ours to the moon, and me and my other friend are further and further apart in the meantime. From less than 100 rating between us at the start to over 200 now, and it continues like this every game.

No cap if we play enough (unrealistic number of games) we're gonna be 400 and our friend thats new to the game will get 2000.

I've made a comparison of our graphs, note that our friend joined later and skipped a few games since. The 2 of ous played 98% of our games together.

At the beginning i once went into one of the early games alone, bc i didnt realise my friend left faf. I lost that game and 20-30 ranking points. That difference, ever since, started escalating to this 200 points difference we have now, as he was gaining more points for wins than I did, and we were loosing the same amount. You can clearly see that 1 game im talking about at the beginning of my graph.

You can see our friend stopped being "gauged" around 900 rating, yet even tho our winratio is between 50-60% probably, he's just gaining and gaining points, but he loosess very little for the lossess.

Im adding the global ranking of our friend too, so you can clearly see the trend that's happening to him. (he plays 4v4 full share exclusively, like all 3 of us, but his global rating is rising with his 4v4 rating).

Calculation of the ranking doesnt work properly, I've played well over 100 games with 2 of my friends. Two of us are similiar in skill, around 1200 and our rating was very close. Other friend was new to the game. Because my friend #1 had few games less than me, we keep drifting away with our ratings, he is 1300, I'm 1100 now. Our friend who is new to the game and would be around 900 i believe is 1250 rated, and his global rating is almost 1400. He is gaining more points for a win, than he looses on avg, so keep boosting him into the moon, where it shouldnt work like that.