Should we include the 2v2 and 4v4 TMM rank for tournaments?

ftxcommando said in Should we include the 2v2 and 4v4 TMM rank for tournaments?:

Sounds like bully explaining how he is 1800 and not 2200 in 2v2

DONT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY THIS, SIR FTX, but i dont recall (seriously) saying im 1800 in 2v2, always thought 2000-2100 was a more accurate rating. besides, it was the combination of including TMM ratings and the rule where >2200 = 2200 that i had an issue with. even now that my global is 2200 its kinda balls to be put in the same category as players 1-2 tiers above me

sladows situation with tmm rating is even worse though and no one can disagree with me when i say that the TMM rating leaderboards are a mess. it would still be nice if TDs force players to play a few 2v2/4v4 matchmaking if u wish to consider these ratings in tournaments

called bulliednoob
upset when bullied

Ye, seems like at least I'm not the only one having a problem with TMM-ratings so I assume I didn't miss a point there. Gonna figure out how to totally play serious games from now on to definitely keep my rank at 2220 where I totally belong :imfine:

I think a tourney only elo system could help solve this. I'm also curious what rating some people would have when only including super tryhard games.

not rlly working that well due to one question:
What should be the amount of players?

1v1 =!= 6v6
Finding the sweetspot inbetween that ain't easy so I don't think that's a solution

I disagree with the premise that global rating is any better of a proxy for true skill than TMM rating. Any format where the player is able to influence the circumstances of the games he is rated on is prone to have outliers.

In TMM you can, well, team up to achieve a higher rating. Team up with some lower-rated friends and the effect is increased.

In global you have even more influence on customizing the set of games you are rated on. Be a one-trick pony and only play Pass of valhallah. Or farm 800 avg rating lobbies to get your 2700 rating. Both very real examples of inflated rating on global.

It's more that the top 20ish players stopped playing tmm and went into map gen custom games so the point of contention is that Sladow is saying he would be 200-300 rated lower if these ppl migrated over to tmm again.

Two important things though:

"In TMM you can, well, team up to achieve a higher rating. Team up with some lower-rated friends and the effect is increased."

You decide if you join a balanced game or not. If you don't wanna play, you just leave the lobby or kick the players which are insanely overranked (Which is the reason why most of them are either on my foe-list or get kicked). Aka you chose whether you wanna get rank or not, on TMM? No choice left.

The players which have a way too high global rank don't even participate in a tourney, feel free to name me a couple of them. That basically makes it irrelevant since 99,X% of the tourney players are "casual" players and none of the type "let's stack a game for more points. Stonks."

=> Being overranked (global) is a decision you have a huge impact on. On TMM you can only throw a game on purpose but nothing more

I'm temtped now to host a tournament where I just put people in a rating bracket. Wonder how much worse that would be objectively then going via rating, besides everyone hating me ofc xD.

Just use the lists Farms and Yudi made kappa

Cant wait to pick bully

Is there an update on the list?

@sladow-noob What lists?

@thewheelie said in Should we include the 2v2 and 4v4 TMM rank for tournaments?:

Cant wait to pick bully

Sorry, S-tier players are restricted to B-tier players and below only.

Yea, cant wait to pick bully

@tagada they had fun during the stream creating a tierlist with the players kekw