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Emerald is a good map because you actually need to think about how to invest your mass, especially in terms of what areas of the map to hold and fortify, acu position is important and air vs land are both totally viable choices with parity for long periods of time. It’s a nice map without clear cut winning strategies like land spam, much better than Open palms or twin river lose one expansioneer lose game garbage style first 5min game plan maps.
I used to hate emerald, too, but there is quite a bit of skill to build by learning the map as good scouting (eg, knowing enemy ACU position) can win games over anything. There is no map like it within the pools and makes you think outside the box.
Perhaps there should be more map-making for such "open" maps, then. Emerald Craters is almost uniquely bland (Seraphim Glaciers too).
Feel free to make one whenever you want, you could probably make a relatively flat 10km map with no major natural expansions and get a solid run of it.
Farms made a map like emerald crater. It was in ladder too, a map without any reclaim to click, extremely refreshing.
That was his first map, which was really not that bad for a new mapper. Regardless, I don't know why mappers should make maps "like others" because it is usually more effective to try and make something unique. There are legit like 200+ options for ladder pool and you get really similar gameplay / mechanics in many. I don't see why we should aim to add to that list.
His first map was Eridani, which was mega tree reclaim heavy. He recently updated it to remove the tree reclaim. The "Emerald Crater" like map is Havasu Canyon, but that map still has decent reclaim it just doesn't show up since desert rocks are 7 mass and the reclaim overlay only goes down to 10.
Well, I have a few ideas for an "improved Emerald Craters". Not sure whether I'll get to them (it's been ~20 years since I did any map-making, for TA), so if another map-maker is inspired, go ahead.
First, gameplay:
So, ideas:
This is mostly intended to offer similar gameplay except for the central area and more, smaller raiding targets between the main expansions.
@white_owl said in Emerald Craters:
But if high level players like this map, do it just for 2000+ players. All noobs as me hates this.
I am not 2000+ and I like it. I don’t want to see this map removed from the pool I play.
By “noob” what do you mean ? Is that 0 to 900 rating, 0 to 1800? Saying only use 2000+ is more like saying that only the top 25 players ( of which most are inactive ) should see it in ladder.
I don’t see a problem with emerald. Blödir mentioned that a single lab or inti can end the game: you can say that about twin rivers and open palms too, and even more so. So far I haven’t heard a single good argument against emerald crater. Except for maybe brain overload because little mass and many places to send units to. It’s just hard because it forced you to prioritize and give up and especially the latter is something very irritating. But face it guys such is the life. You can’t be both top in school and top in faf - you have to prioritize and give up.
@big-bennis-magic said in Emerald Craters:
I don’t see a problem with emerald. Blödir mentioned that a single lab or inti can end the game: you can say that about twin rivers and open palms too, and even more so. So far I haven’t heard a single good argument against emerald crater. Except for maybe brain overload because little mass and many places to send units to. It’s just hard because it forced you to prioritize and give up and especially the latter is something very irritating. But face it guys such is the life. You can’t be both top in school and top in faf - you have to prioritize and give up.
No, in both twin rivers and open palms 1 engy or transport dying is not nearly as disastrous. In both of those maps it's often a pretty minor setback lol. In emerald if your first transport dies the opponent likely gets both contested expansions and its gg. If lab kills an expanding engi it's similarly quite disastrous because the distance between mexes is so massive