New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements

[Morax]

Okay, let us get back on topic then, @Rezy-Noob :

@FtXCommando said:

FAF Promotions

I'm planning on hedging the FAFLive channel as a way to garner interest in external promoters for some of the bigger end of the year events. With about 100 reliable viewers at any general point in time and (hopefully) aiming for 250-300 during this year's LotS, we should be entering the realm where sponsors may be interested in helping support community events. Ideally this results in both more tournaments and more exposure for FAF through coordinated media campaigns and connections to real world firms.

This is such a false promise! Who is going to sponsor us for 250-300 viewers? What kind of metrics can you provide showing that we will go from previous year viewership to this level?

I have reached out to a few companies and lower-tier gaming bloggers for representation and the answer is usually 'oh yeah that supreme commander game! that was cool; but, ugh... nah sorry man too old and not enough people!'

Can you please give details on this? If you have something serious here I would be very curious and turn my opinion around.

[Morax]

@FtXCommando said:

Training:
You don’t do any of this. Full stop. As far as I’m concerned I put you in the same box as Suzuji here. I do not care if you promise to upload 60 billion new videos in 1080p and 144 fps.

I am ridiculously active in the training channel to answer questions and help out with general management. I have also written 2 different guides, motivated BH to write his guide, and reviewed some of the guides that were posted on the old wiki. You have done none of this.

In the end I don’t think there’s anything wrong with collecting 50 videos to make into a list, but that sure isn’t a productive way to train anybody. You putting this as your sole action here does not inspire much confidence in you actually training anybody for me.

Also about your new player engagement, let me give an example of how that works. I went through the entire #newbie channel, so about 200 or so people, and directly pinged each and every single one of them. Why was that? Well I needed a <300 player to play with me and Farm in a tournament. I messaged them to ask if they were interested in getting some training. I got 3 responses. Of these 3, I spent several hours going through basic bos and how to look at the game. None of them logged on again. Then I got a random guy on the day of the tournament to play with us.

Training requires will to get better. How do you find that will? You wait for people to be proactive about it. Insert proverb about not being able to make a horse drink water here.

Yes, I do "train" and help people as much as possible, albeit not through your official system. I talked to a few of your trainers such as @Sladow and @RandomWheelchair , found that none of them really have much going on.

What we really need to get training going is something like an initial broadcast message to first-time logins describing how complex the game is and linking some "getting started" material rather expecting the individual themselves to be "motivated to find it." The layers and complexity of the community can sometimes be so engrossing that even the most motivated person can be clueless as to how to begin. I do not believe you have addressed this issue well.

As for training all the time, if you do it this frequently, and over the course of a few years, YOU MUST have some people that made it to a decent level and thanked you for your help. Could you have a few individuals support this by posting here about how you helped them to show what you do for them?

Your story about "pinging all the <300s" kind of conflicts your accomplishment here.

[Morax]

@thewheelie said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

community voting for balance team members is a terrible idea especially since it wont accomplish anything. How many people of the balance team should be elected? Majority minority or equal? You think there wont be issues of the majority 'team' dominating the decisions cause they are likely to disagree with the opposing team? After all the chance of people being voted in have a high likelyhood of disagreeing with the current state of balance.

Why not have each likely candidate put out a platform? Why is that useless? The choice between Tagada, jagged, petric, you, blackheart, tex, swkoll, etc etc why not? Of course people who have not enough balance experience would likely not make it.

[Morax]

@tagada said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

I don't really understand this whole fuss about balance team in the PC election? Like it's not up to PC to decide about balance nor who is on the balance team ...

No, but it is important they accurately reflect what the community feels about the balance team. He made a nice post about how to create a proper post in the balance thread, but does he actually care about the people who argue some points?

I asked him recently to explain what the balance team goal is to revert some elements such as mex assist to reach the goal of "more strategy" and he drew a blank. He also claims he is "better suited to run along petric because they are close." I think that is pretty awful he doesn't get info on long-term plans to help explain to those interested what is happening and why.

The community has gotten used to engymod for YEARS now, so why is it not viable to argue it is a player concern to go this direction?

[FemtoZetta]

@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

This is such a false promise! Who is going to sponsor us for 250-300 viewers? What kind of metrics can you provide showing that we will go from previous year viewership to this level?

It doesn't look like a promise to me. Emphasis by me:

@FtXCommando said:

and (hopefully) aiming for 250-300 during this year's LotS, we should be entering the realm where sponsors may be interested in helping support community events.

The 100 viewers is the metric he has, the other stuff is just what he's aiming for and hopes to achieve.

[Morax]

Even a "hopeful" person should know that a 300% increase is kind of ambitious to predict, no? I want to know where he got the data or knowledge to say such a thing.

Do the twitch FAF live streams show previous highs and lows?

[biass]

Please read the post again:

With about 100 reliable viewers at any general point in time and (hopefully) aiming for 250-300 during this year's LotS

The 100 viewers are for minor things that happen through the year.

the 250/300 metric is for the largest end of year event in FAF history.

They're not a goal or a graph, they're different things altogether.

[Morax]

@biass said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

Please read the post again:

With about 100 reliable viewers at any general point in time and (hopefully) aiming for 250-300 during this year's LotS

The 100 viewers are for minor things that happen through the year.

the 250/300 metric is for the largest end of year event in FAF history.

They're not a goal or a graph, they're different things altogether.

Please read my post again, @biass : how is it possible you can even "hope" to get a 300% increase in one year?

[Fremy_Speeddraw]

Last year's LoTS finals.

I don't see what your issue even is here, him trying to reach out and capitalize on FAF finally having a consistent coverage medium? Him being optimistic on viewership numbers? Wouldn't even call that optimistic, we weren't that far off of this metric last year already.

[Morax]

@fremy_speeddraw said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

Last year's LoTS finals.

I don't see what your issue even is here, him trying to reach out and capitalize on FAF finally having a consistent coverage medium? Him being optimistic on viewership numbers? Wouldn't even call that optimistic, we weren't that far off of this metric last year already.

Optimism is GREAT. I do not have an issue with that, but how about we see real data and metrics to say "yes, i have sponsors coming, or yes there will be this or that."

219 average viewers is nice. how about previous years? Are we certain the trend is really up ? I don't think we can tell because FAF live has not been around that long.

[Blackheart]

So let me get this straight: You have an issue with ftx having a goal of getting ~20% more viewers on faflive? You are demanding "real data and metrics" about the future growth of the channel because he put a 20% viewer increase goal?

Where is your real data and your metrics about all the fancy goals you put in your post?

Do you even read what you are writing before posting it?

[Morax]

Do you dodge questions all the time, too? Where is the sponsor thing coming from?

And no, I am not mad, just calling out some stretch in thiking.

[Fremy_Speeddraw]

@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

Optimism is GREAT. I do not have an issue with that, but how about we see real data and metrics to say "yes, i have sponsors coming, or yes there will be this or that."

219 average viewers is nice. how about previous years? Are we certain the trend is really up ? I don't think we can tell because FAF live has not been around that long.

This is real data and real metrics. I don't think there are any sponsors coming yet and not me nor anyone can tell if there will be, but I know there will be attempts at getting them. What I do know is that 220 > 0 so I don't know why I see people who haven't gotten 220 viewers gathered on a FAF event bicker about the trend of growth not being super clear. Me and FtX have gone and created the thing while noone else ever had any initiative and gotten LoTS from 0 real coverage up to appropriate coverage that is well deserved for the generous donations put out. I don't see why now suddenly as the election is coming up it is apparently a hot topic of concern when in my eyes it's an impressive achievement that doesn't even fall within PC realm of responsibilities.

[Morax]

@fremy_speeddraw said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

@morax said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

Optimism is GREAT. I do not have an issue with that, but how about we see real data and metrics to say "yes, i have sponsors coming, or yes there will be this or that."

219 average viewers is nice. how about previous years? Are we certain the trend is really up ? I don't think we can tell because FAF live has not been around that long.

This is real data and real metrics. I don't think there are any sponsors coming yet and not me nor anyone can tell if there will be, but I know there will be attempts at getting them. What I do know is that 220 > 0 so I don't know why I see people who haven't gotten 220 viewers gathered on a FAF event bicker about the trend of growth not being super clear. Me and FtX have gone and created the thing while noone else ever had any initiative and gotten LoTS from 0 real coverage up to appropriate coverage that is well deserved for the generous donations put out. I don't see why now suddenly as the election is coming up it is apparently a hot topic of concern when in my eyes it's an impressive achievement that doesn't even fall within PC realm of responsibilities.

I did not say that FAF Live is not a good idea.

What I said is not a good idea is saying there will be sponsors. Thank you for being honest here and clarifying that the sponsors thing was not a real thing, but hopefully will be.

[Morax]

@blackheart said in [New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal

Where is your real data and your metrics about all the fancy goals you put in your post?

Please tell me what you would like to see data on in what I posted and I will happily provide it.

[FtXCommando]

Everyone else already addressed the baseless accusation of star-eyed optimism. My goal for LotS is entirely realistic based on past coverage and the continued buildup of community interaction through consistent coverage of events. Ideally, as casters develop synergies with one another and people covering events get more comfortable with streaming, community interest in events increases. Then, there will be room to do more efficient scheduling where players can cast for a select hour or two and then rotate out in order to maintain a high level of hype that doesn't eventually simmer out. Everything is planned to be improved and I intend for it to improve.

With regards to sponsors and real metrics, I've worked with external organizations that have wanted to collaborate with FAF. I have no interest in going into depth on my communication with them related to events but they have a team that manages their own sponsors and they have given me guidance on how to reach out to organizations. So I'll give a general overview instead.

For one, I don't really get why I would care about you reaching out to bloggers or companies. I have no idea what kind of communication you did nor does getting an article written about a game compare to sponsorships. Entirely irrelevant.

Second, FAFLive is not "just" a random Twitch Channel that covers some niche game. It's the tip of the spear that focuses on large scale community events for a community that manages 20k users a month and has tens of thousands of users across Discord. It absolutely has leverage that would interest sponsors, I've seen much smaller Twitch channels and much smaller communities manage it with competent administration.

Third, even if FAFLive was some random channel, it is still well into the range where things like small scale sponsors would be interested in working with the account. Twitch has several tertiary pages focused on giving assistance to smaller affiliate channels and connecting them to small sponsors. FAFLive is well into partnership territory, a bar orders of magnitude more difficult to reach, and only fails to get there due to a lack of regular scheduling. Often these sponsors look for channels in the 100-150 CCV, which is right where FAFLive currently falls into and will hopefully only continue to grow.

I do not plan on explaining everything out because I consider this a competitive advantage of mine. I put in the dozens of hours to work out how to grow FAF externally, you can elect me if you want that knowledge to work for FAF.

I do not make bullshit statements. I have 3 years of realistic goals and I have accomplished just about every single one of those goals in those 3 years. I will continue to do so.

[Morax]

Nice, you took the "I don't want to say anything because it will reveal my methods" approach.

Can you at least provide examples of other small twitch channels and what kind of sponsorship was given without going into detail?

[FtXCommando]

Do your own research.

[Judahx]

I think a large problem of the faf community is that you guys cater to the highest ranked people. You ignore the majority of the FAF community. Even the balance team is based around the highest rated player base. The majority of the active Community is less than 1k. Not everyone plays on the high skilled games. Most of us play for fun. We like to use this game to relax.

I'm a registered nurse and the nursing board in each state in the United States uses nurses of each level to reprimand and expunge any issues. Having someone who can understand the level of the current player and games played is important

I think the majority of you guys have been in charge of this game for too long and there needs to be New Blood. A lot of you feel threatened when someone new comes along. I've been harassed by multiple people just for talking about true facts about ftxCommando. This only proves my point even further.

Toxic and old leadership will not help this game. We need somebody who is new who is not involved in the elitist echo chamber that's already going on. It's obvious to me this community has been led by the same group for years...

We need someone who is In touch with the novice community as well as the higher rated community. We don't need someone who is completely one-sided for the professionals.

Regardless if you're professional player or a mediocre player or a novice player your opinion is important

Emperor penguin understands every aspect of the player community. He is a decent person and is what we need. Heck he's even one of the most major contributors of the map generator which is hugely popular.

[Judahx]

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We don't need another elitist in power!