@arma473 said in The Titan and Loayalist problem:
These two units have been rebalanced multiple times in the last few years. There was a time when titans and loyas were considered OP. They were nerfed from there. I don't know if that was part of the T3 rebalance or if that was a separate balance patch. Relatively recently (in the last year I think) they were changed/buffed a little, for example loyalists get the "charge" ability. If you look at the history of these balance changes, you will see that a lot of people have considered exactly the issues that you are pointing out, and in general I think the community has accepted the current balance. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Titans and loyalists get a lot of use on big maps where their speed matters.
Huh...I assumed other people talked about the same problem before, but I didn’t know Loaylist and Titans were ever op. Do you remember how exactly they were op? Did it get to the pint that people didn’t use bricks and percies? Maybe we can avoid doing the same mistake.
Tbh, I think now that the problem isn’t really that they are weak now, but rather that the role they excel in is too narrow. Like, they are pretty good at some specific things, but there’s a narrow window in which they’re usefulness surpasses their cost, and once that window is past it’s just more worth it to just built Armored bots and experimentals instead.
So for example, what I think the Titan and the Loaylist are good at is:
*dealing with t2/t1 spam and punishing players for not teaching up
*fighting other t3 heavy/siege bot
*raiding and overwhelming t2 firebases
The Titan and the Loaylist are quite good at these jobs, the problem is that it’s the only thing they’re good at. Instead of remaining useful for the rest of the t3/t4 phase like they should (considering how they’re the t3 equivalent to a basic tank), they’re very quickly phased out for armored assault bots, as they’re simply not useful against t4 and other armored bots. This is specially bad for the Loaylist , because the brick is just good all around, unlike the percival (although you don’t see Titans with percies either).
What I’m saying is, the Titan and the Loaylist should have more broader roles, so that they can be used more often, and thus make the game more interesting overall. Personally, I think the best way to do that isn’t to just outright buff them, but provide them with something that makes them more useful against t4’s, and improve their usefulness at the late game without making them op in the process.