@thewheelie said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

If ur chief police and a burglar breaks into your house and rapes your wife you are not allowed to be disrespectfull to him. Remember you have an importent function!

Please tell me you didn't just equate online insults with rape...

But to continue your ridiculous example, if he talks about the criminal at the press conference afterwards, yes, he's not supposed to call him a roach.

And @FtXCommando : See, that's what I'm talking about. Whenever someone says that you're aggressive/insulting/shoot down stuff, you say "where do I do that?", people quote examples and you go "Yeah lol, that was reasonable". If you can't be convinced by any arguments, doesn't at least the frequency with which you run into hostile discussions tell you something? (and just because you're going to ask some examples from the last 2 days: Your discussion with Mozart in Jagged's chat, your discussion with Sheeo in Discord, saying to someone their contribution would be equal to a 1700 rated random player. The crazy thing is, that none of these occurances would be more then a normal talk if you would know how to communicate a bit friendlier.)

Ok, I'm going to give you another example. A user said "excuse me why are you not considering francias as a candidate" which seems like a perfectly valid question (if you didn't read the thread) to me. Your answer was that he's a roach. Now compare that to what Jagged has said about Feathers: He clearly dislikes him, but he said in his stream basically only "he's a toxic person and has multiple permanent bans". Now would it have to be that hard to give a simple answer like that?

And to just throw an idea out: You clearly have redeeming features, given that a lot of people from the background/dev root for you. Maybe there's a position that you would enjoy more then PC, working directly with them? I know that when you're in a position to moderate or communicate in a public forum you sometimes develop an intense hatred for the participants. But also your job would be to not display that. It seems to me that the current position isn't really the best fit for your personal talents.

Anyway, I didn't really want to participate any more because I'm still so new to the scene, but the unbelievably stupid rape comment roped me back in. (See, I can say that because I'm not PC :P)

I hope you people don't mind when I say something too, although it will be my first comment on these forums. From an outsider perspective FtX seems like the one who has - obviously - the most clue what's going on and what is achievable. Still I can't help to feel a bit uneasy at the perspective of having him as PC for two reasons:

a) Division system is not something that will have a big impact. Hundreds of games use Elo or a variant thereof; League uses the division system and I don't think they reported big improvements
b) for some reason you seem to be needlessly aggressive and like to argue a lot. I recognize it from myself. The problem might be that although you could do some good work, you're neck deep into personal conflicts which will eat your time (see: your own proclamation what you will do as your first action - call out other councillors? Like what is that supposed to achieve?)

Morax seems to have some good ideas, though the money stuff was very disappointing... but imo he demonstrated in this thread that he's capable of admitting mistakes and working with the people that he had conflicts with, which is a great trait no matter how you look at it.

~so far

(oh and @Askaholic although I completely agree with you on the matter, you shouldn't use "(they think they know, but they don't)" as an example for it because it showed quite the opposite: Blizzard didn't want to make classic realms, but the community was right in that they would be a success. It's rare, but it happens. ;))

@thewheelie said in New Player Councilor Discussion + Removal Announcements:

If ur chief police and a burglar breaks into your house and rapes your wife you are not allowed to be disrespectfull to him. Remember you have an importent function!

Please tell me you didn't just equate online insults with rape...

But to continue your ridiculous example, if he talks about the criminal at the press conference afterwards, yes, he's not supposed to call him a roach.

And @FtXCommando : See, that's what I'm talking about. Whenever someone says that you're aggressive/insulting/shoot down stuff, you say "where do I do that?", people quote examples and you go "Yeah lol, that was reasonable". If you can't be convinced by any arguments, doesn't at least the frequency with which you run into hostile discussions tell you something? (and just because you're going to ask some examples from the last 2 days: Your discussion with Mozart in Jagged's chat, your discussion with Sheeo in Discord, saying to someone their contribution would be equal to a 1700 rated random player. The crazy thing is, that none of these occurances would be more then a normal talk if you would know how to communicate a bit friendlier.)

Ok, I'm going to give you another example. A user said "excuse me why are you not considering francias as a candidate" which seems like a perfectly valid question (if you didn't read the thread) to me. Your answer was that he's a roach. Now compare that to what Jagged has said about Feathers: He clearly dislikes him, but he said in his stream basically only "he's a toxic person and has multiple permanent bans". Now would it have to be that hard to give a simple answer like that?

And to just throw an idea out: You clearly have redeeming features, given that a lot of people from the background/dev root for you. Maybe there's a position that you would enjoy more then PC, working directly with them? I know that when you're in a position to moderate or communicate in a public forum you sometimes develop an intense hatred for the participants. But also your job would be to not display that. It seems to me that the current position isn't really the best fit for your personal talents.

Anyway, I didn't really want to participate any more because I'm still so new to the scene, but the unbelievably stupid rape comment roped me back in. (See, I can say that because I'm not PC :P)

I hope you people don't mind when I say something too, although it will be my first comment on these forums. From an outsider perspective FtX seems like the one who has - obviously - the most clue what's going on and what is achievable. Still I can't help to feel a bit uneasy at the perspective of having him as PC for two reasons:

a) Division system is not something that will have a big impact. Hundreds of games use Elo or a variant thereof; League uses the division system and I don't think they reported big improvements
b) for some reason you seem to be needlessly aggressive and like to argue a lot. I recognize it from myself. The problem might be that although you could do some good work, you're neck deep into personal conflicts which will eat your time (see: your own proclamation what you will do as your first action - call out other councillors? Like what is that supposed to achieve?)

Morax seems to have some good ideas, though the money stuff was very disappointing... but imo he demonstrated in this thread that he's capable of admitting mistakes and working with the people that he had conflicts with, which is a great trait no matter how you look at it.

~so far

(oh and @Askaholic although I completely agree with you on the matter, you shouldn't use "(they think they know, but they don't)" as an example for it because it showed quite the opposite: Blizzard didn't want to make classic realms, but the community was right in that they would be a success. It's rare, but it happens. ;))