Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?
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This is an actual pool for 3x3. And there is not a single 20x20 map in it.
And this is an actual 2x2 pool with half the map being 20x20.
Maybe this has already been discussed and I didn't notice. But I'm curious as to why this is the case? Should we add 20x20 maps for 3x3?
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And I'd also like to discuss custom maps for 3x3
I often hear the opinion that we have very few custom maps for 3x3
Here is a pool of maps for 4x4
Close 1 more slot and any of these maps can be played 3x3 and it will be a good game
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@Skrat said in Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?:
This is an actual pool for 3x3. And there is not a single 20x20 map in it.
Because map degenerator already creates the pass / dualgap with a 20-30% certainty and having to play this on 20x20 km map would be completely unbearable
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@Skrat said in Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?:
And I'd also like to discuss custom maps for 3x3
This part I agree with, I've written about this in the past (July 2024) and basically he response by matchmaker team lead at that time was "well 1v1/2v2/4v4 have a lot of custom maps, 3v3 is mapgen only and it's most popular, so it's the reason why 3v3 will remain only mapgen".
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@Sainse said in Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?:
@Skrat said in Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?:
This is an actual pool for 3x3. And there is not a single 20x20 map in it.
Because map degenerator already creates the pass / dualgap with a 20-30% certainty and having to play this on 20x20 km map would be completely unbearable
The problem imo is not mapgen itself, but the fact the most recent update of mapgen (already some months or prob a year ago) made mapgen 5 times worse. Presets of map terrain mostly don't even generate that kind of map, some settings arent really fixed settings but more of a suggestion, and I need 5 times longer to get a "good" map compared to before.
Dont really know why this isnt talked about but i was even thinking of generating maps in GAF (older mapgen version) to then use in faf..While mapgen is the way it is, it makes 0 sense to add 20x20 (as you said), because maybe 1 out of 20 maps will be good
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Just because a map is good for 4v4 does not mean it’s good for 3v3, it’s not as simple as just closing a slot
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Mapgen is generally very bad at creating good 20x20 maps. the maps become very empty with not enough mexes nor reclaim to fight over.
@FtXCommando said in Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?:
Just because a map is good for 4v4 does not mean it’s good for 3v3, it’s not as simple as just closing a slot
Generally speaking i'd say 80-90% of 4v4 maps are good for 3v3 as well
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Seton’s is a poor 3v3 map, funeral plains is a poor 3v3 map, metir isn’t great due to the transport rng involved, and skadi isn’t great unless you have an entire team on the ball understanding what matters.
There also isn’t the biggest pool of satisfactory 4v4 maps either, there’s probably like 35-40 that I’m willing to use for pools and I’d say half of those aren’t great for 3v3
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@FtXCommando said in Why don't we have a 20x20 map in 3x3?:
there’s probably like 35-40 that I’m willing to use for pools and I’d say half of those aren’t great for 3v3
So there are at least 16-20 maps suitable for 3v3
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Yeah, that's not a lot
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@FtXCommando I think I can choose 30+ maps good for 3x3, add mapgens to them and we'll have a normal pool.
But maybe Sainse is right. And people like to play 3x3 just because of the mappens -
@Skrat I don't think this is true, I've simply recited the response I've got back then. Personally I like 3v3/4v4 not because of mapgen, and would like to see human maps there
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@Sainse and I'm sure we can choose a lot of different maps, many people do not think about 10x10 maps, but they are perfect for 3x3 and we have a lot of them in the vault.
