Just a bit of an out there thought.

Cut price of Novax by half and remove laser. Replace it with something similar to Aoen emp burst, that way the Novax can be disruptive, but cant destroy anything. It will wind up being used to help with assaults or to slow building. Also make it blockable by shields, to allow air grids to be shielded and keep production at full.

Just a bit of an out there thought.

Cut price of Novax by half and remove laser. Replace it with something similar to Aoen emp burst, that way the Novax can be disruptive, but cant destroy anything. It will wind up being used to help with assaults or to slow building. Also make it blockable by shields, to allow air grids to be shielded and keep production at full.

FTX 2 days ago I used UEF teleport to kill shady by making torp launchers, so yes people do use UEF tele.
Last week I used a sera sacu to take out an SMD and nuked an air player.
And it was glorious!

The thing you guys are all forgetting is that not every one is 2k, and that seems to be where all these complaints come from. You elitists feel free to alter your games however you want, but please don't ruin the fun for the rest of us.

You want to make tele pointless? Fine, I'm sure the 25 high rankers who are super bothered by this and never play any games where people use tele, will love these changes.

While you're there though and talking about how it cant be stopped and its unfair etc, maybe take a look at the satellite you cant shoot down, or the t4 bomber you can cntrl K and kill anything under shields or the floating arti you can just spam and end any naval game with. Other than that you could just not alter stuff that has been great fun for 15 years and everyone likes.

@ftxcommando If laser coms were the be all and end all of the game, everyone would play cybran. As for HARMS, yes they are annoying, but any competent player simply goes around or does something else. They should not be nerfed into uselessness just because certain people don't like them. A player building HARMS is not attacking you, and you can then punish them in other ways.

As for hives on dual gap, yes they are the superior choice due to your entire base being within range of them, however I'm not sure a units entire balance should be viewed by its usefulness on one map.

My concern isn't the frankly massive HARM nerf, or the hive nerf, or the laser nerf, or the range nerf. Its everything together.

Cybran on larger maps have nothing to reach and and touch the enemy with now. Given shielded game enders, Cybrans only chance was the telesnipe. If you have put 250k into a game ender, and didn't take the very basic precaution to shield it, that's your own fault.

A shielded UEF com, and the shield costs 2300 mass, has 12 seconds before the telesnipe kills them. That's just the com excluding any other shields that happen to be lying around. Sera, Aoen and UEF all can have a com shielded (or HP increase) to the point when tele is pointless to even try. Anyone who doesn't factor in a potential telesnipe gets everything they deserve. Also I use tele tac missile Sera SACU. Are you suggesting these are OP because people have to build TMD everywhere? I also use Aoen SACU and tele in, build 3 PD and tele out. Does tele need to be removed from SACU because you might use it?

As to your words about having to build PD everywhere when you think the enemy Cybran is going to go tele, let me ask you a question in return. When an enemy builds a Novax station, do you sit there like a lemming or do you shield or your mexes? One novax on a Setons means you need roughly 40 shield generators to protect your mexes, and that is a lot more costly than making some tele defense.

As for PD, I would argue its far far better to build t2 bombers for a rapid tele response.

Do I like the Novax? No, but others do so I'll never ask for them to be nerfed to nothing. A few weeks ago I actually started a Novax, then abandoned it at 1% and watched the other team build a bunch of shield gens. Does this need to be removed?

As for 1800+ players going random, you are correct, this game should be exclusively designed for those players. Anyone who likes to play a certain race should be punished as unworthy.

My point is simple, Cybran have been hit hard with nerfs recently and don't need anymore to their most unique ability. I didn't know about these potential changes until I was told about them by several people who were complaining that it makes Cybran very poor late game.

@sylph_ Not endgame artillery, just anyway to end a game. lets say you are on a map that lends itself to a longer game such as setons, gap anything over 10k etc. Salvation, mavor or sats and YOLO will always win against a scathis due to its inability to hit single targets and down shields.

Telesnipe is soon to be extinct with these changes as it is already struggling with the 25% damage nerf already.

As for navy, Cybrans advantage was always HARMS on the defensive. They were excellent units, however now they are totally useless as the mass needed for them is so high compared to their new abilities. The Exodus out ranges them now and can ground fire, the UEF and Sera have cruisers which can pinpoint execute the HARMS with almost no effort.

As for race, I've went both sera and UEF. For defensive purposes UEF have the excellent neptune rush which stops t2 pushes dead, and the sera of course have zooeys if you need them as well as tele sacus which are amazing with nukes.

Engineering stations are better in every way than hives due to their mobility.

Hi guys,

I think you can simplify all the recent changes by just removing Cybran out the game as that seems to be the goal. Let me explain.

I am a Setoner and exclusively played Cybran for the last 2 years. When the last patch came out and Cybran had HARMS and hives totally ruined, you can take my word for this as my beach defense relied heavily on these and worked like a charm, I was forced to swap.
Let me explain what I mean by HARMS being ruined. Traditionally these were among the toughest units to deal with, the best way being ground fire. However with ground fire being difficult to direct, and HARMS having a lot of health they were an excellent unit. Now with the massive reduction in health, having less range then all destroyers bar sera, and the additional ease of ground fire, you can basically just laugh at them. I just click a cruiser onto each one and wait 20 seconds as the missiles don't miss.
Next hives and purely far worse engineering stations and should NEVER be used unless you cant get UEF tech.
Currently the reduction in damage for the Cybran com laser snipe means its far far less effective.
These changes have already ruined Cybran, totally and completely in any late game. I will never choose Cybran now as they are by far the worst. Long time Cybran player Mize also agrees and is playing Aoen.

Now ignoring this, EVERY other faction in the game has a pinpoint game ender that can destroy other game enders. Cybran do not have this ability. The Scathis will never be able to defeat a shielded anything. The answer to this was always the telesnipe. Now with the range and damage changes we are better off using harsh words.

ANYONE who gets telesniped late game deserves what they get. If you lose your 250k Mavor to a telesnipe, maybe you should have planned a bit better and made some shields and PD.

In conclusion, I think it'll just be easier to remove Cybran from game. You've already done great with the Setoners group as no one I see now actively plays them, they just get them on random.

Make fatboys float. Would certainly make them a lot more useful.