Suggestion: remove "t2 to t3 mex rebuild" game mechanics maybe?

Hello guys. New player here. Watching tutorials, streams and replays I have noticed that most mid-high level players use interesting gamehack to boost eco:

• Ctrl+k t2 mex
• reclaim 729 mass
• fast rebuild t3 mex with t3 engie/acu/sacu + assist
  ...
• profit 729mass and even less per mex
  as shown in this tutorial video of BRNKoINSANITY (timecode 6:53 for excel table and numbers)

This trick is possible because upgrade cost and build cost(from scratch) of t3 mex are even (4600 mass)

Idk maybe I'm wrong but this seems overcomplicated for that small amount of mass. It is counterintuitive for new players also: you assist t1 to t2 upgrade, but you kill t2 mex to build t3 mex (what?!) ( found this and this topics asking about this game mechanics)

I mean why not just make upgrade cost less than build from scratch by 729 mass for example? You can keep same timers for upgrade/rebuild equal to keep the game flow intact.

IMHO this game is hard to master as is with the tactics and all, to make it even more complex using time consuming tricks like this.
I noticed that developers team integrated some of QoL mods into a game, so I decided to suggest such a change.

P.S. Tried to search forum for relevant topic, to check what people think about such issue but found nothing

It requires way more attention to your eco to do this. Sometimes that's good, like when there is nothing to do but focus on your eco. Sometimes it's bad, like when there is way too much scaling going on, your spending is too volatile to make it potentially worth it, or you can't spend time walking t3 engies around the map instead of fighting battles.

I think it would be a good change to have the cost of a new t3 mex and the cost of a t2 mex plus a t3 mex upgrade be equal. Having high apm is already very beneficial in FAF without this added bonus. We don't need to further handicap low apm players with an additional ~700 mass penalty per t3 mex compared to their higher apm counterparts.

Except that it involves floating the required mass, spending time moving engies, and finding the time to go back to mexes every 30-50 seconds. Being mad that proper planning gets you an eco advantage might as well as mean removing tree groups so people properly planning around them don't get rewarded for their "apm" as well.

There are times where it's worth ctrl+k'ing mex, and there are times where it is not worth the additional mental overhead. If it is always worth it in your games, you're playing big teamgames where aggression is not a concern and you got like 10 mex to babysit.

I thought bp was increased on t2 mexes so this was less of an advantage

ok I can see this mechanics can be one of the aspects of mastering the game (when to do or not to do ctrl+k instead upgrade)

Still I don't like this overcomplicated technique.

In my opinion it looks like a bug that become feature. Since it exists in FAF for ages and people get used to it i doubt that it will be ever changed. But it is very counterintuitive and may lead to accidental ctrl+k of something valuable like already rebuilt t3 mex or even comm. When i started to play FAF i legit had to make ui mod just to make sure i won't ctrl+k something else

I was also of the assumption this hasn't really been worth doing for quite a while now.

My only problem with this exploit is that it seems non-intuitive, and it’s not something that could be effectively conveyed in a loading screen tip

Cost to build t2 mex - 900 mass
Cost to upgrade t1 mex to t2 mex - 900 mass

Cost to build t2 radar - 180 mass
Cost to upgrade t1 radar to t2 radar - 180 mass

Cost to build t3 UEF shield - 3300 mass
Cost to upgrade t2 shield to t3 shield - 3300 mass

The "counterintuitive" aspect is adding a weird rule to t3 mex upgrades. The game is perfectly consistent. The only area the game doesn't work like this is support factories.

It's rare that people will upgrade a lot of radars, but it's normal to upgrade multiple support factories and mexes.

It's only fair to make people pay extra for the privilege of upgrading a shield in place when a certain faction can't even do that at all.

It just comes down to this: do we want to give people the option to do a little song and dance, to trade APM in exchange for about 600 extra mass? Or do we want to streamline the game here.

I'm definitely in favor of streamlining the game by equalizing the cost of upgrading in place vs. ctrl-k trick. The game is complicated enough. Making it a little simpler here is more good than bad.

@greensubmarine said in Suggestion: remove "t2 to t3 mex rebuild" game mechanics maybe?:

In my opinion it looks like a bug that become feature. Since it exists in FAF for ages and people get used to it i doubt that it will be ever changed. But it is very counterintuitive and may lead to accidental ctrl+k of something valuable like already rebuilt t3 mex or even comm. When i started to play FAF i legit had to make ui mod just to make sure i won't ctrl+k something else

I had problems accidently cntrl+k things I didn't mean to so what I do now when I use this technique (very rarely) is I just use my engies to reclaim the mex then build the t3 so there is no risk to make that mistake.