About Neroxis map generator...

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I would put you on blast for writing 5 off topic paragraphs as a moderator - if this conversation wasn't already over. Saying it again, someone figures out how to make it work (code) or nothing else happens here.

First, don't make some comment about the team being incompetent "because they don't play" and then cry about tone when you get backlash. If you can't take it, don't send it.

Did you forget you said this?
"But I guess seeing as how you don't actually play ladder maps, you need to evaluate them somehow..."

Second, this play at "you don't play ladder games so you don't know" comment has existed since time immemorial - Even since tokyto era. It didn't mean anything of value then and it doesnt now. Playing our barebones mutiplayer ladder system teaches you NOTHING about how to properly manage both a pool and mutiple sets of player demographic expectations. I don't see how spamming 1v1 games suddenly enlightens you to some kind of managerial omnisciency.

You use FtX saying that BO whoring not being an impact is a consequence of him not playing ladder, and has an impact on his ability to run the pool. You've completely quoted this out of context. Sure, I stand by what I said about me being sick of BO whoring, but it is not an issue for the larger majority of the ladder playerbase - As was stated in the original post.

Sitting on this thread complaining about ladder team really doesn't do anything. We need people who are actually willing to contribute to a very heavy menial task and be able to innovate and be assertive. You were on the ladder team. And failed to do the basic effort of checking over your messages and asking questions that might put you into the right spot to help change things. Maybe if you did that (or even looked at/asked to look at the sheet once) you could learn the basics of how the system worked before you look the time to complain about it. I made the suggestion that you could start a temp WWPC for mapgen. The code isn't going to appear and you can further continue to play games wherein hopefully the novelty would wear off and more feedback can be given. I don't see any leagues yet, I doubt you even thought about it.

In closing:

"I like mapgen"
Cool, pass more feedback on, improve the product, and code the implementation.

"you don't play ladder"
Playing overwatch ranked (example) doesn't somehow give you insight in how the system works.
Don't see how FAF ladder would. You show your lack of understanding in your comments. Purely idiotic complaint.

just close the thread dudes and move on.

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Biass the snake supporting his fellow reptile ftx. Texbook cronism.

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If you can make the case that either of us are unqualified, be my guest.

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Biass is just salty people like random maps more than his and now he's gatekeeping ladder because of it "YOU'RE ALL HAVING FUN WRONG!!! LOOK THE SHITTY DECALS!!111". Thankfully it's up to more reasonable individuals whether mapgen comes to ladder or not. Hope they decide it's worth their coding efforts, knowing their work is appreciated.

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Can't wait to see how biased moderation is.

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@phong said in About Neroxis map generator...:

Biass is just salty people like random maps more than his

yOu aRe jUsT jEaLoUs

I love how these discussions devolve into shitflinging like 90% of the time after a few days. Need to soften the balance forum rules again so we get more of that.

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i love it too

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@phong dude, are you okay?

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Its the year of covid man, no one is ok.

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so anyways, back onto the topic :

@Askaholic said in About Neroxis map generator...:

It’s not too much work, but it will require some changes to the database schema, which means it will take a while for logistical reasons.

ok sounds good.

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@Tex Have ftx and biass only been like this during the past year?.....

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@CorvathraNoob said in About Neroxis map generator...:

@Tex Have ftx and biass only been like this during the past year?.....

It shows quite a lack of respect to start such a discussion.

A work of art is never finished, merely abandoned

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CorvathraNoob said in About Neroxis map generator...:

@Tex Have ftx and biass only been like this during the past year?.....

I've always acted in what I think is the best interest of the playerbase in spite of everyone, including myself.
A mob of people throwing abuse like a pack of apes will not change that.

Unless we already forgot about how we put in factional font colours and people literally could not read the UI anymore? Or how we "just tried out" rackover as a moderator and a large group of contributors including MisterK and even Downlord were gone or silent within the year due to the toxic enviroment?

Even yemkey, which was hastily put in the pool because the author threatened to leave FAF if it wasn't, clearly has consquences. I'm sick of doing this loop of rushing in new changes with no proper feedback and iteration cycles, and then eating shit for it.

I have to play the negative nancy in order for the naive to not shoot themself in the foot over and over.

You can self sabotage yourself with such trash comments as long as you want, just feel lucky that moderation is actually this incompetent.

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Yah, this is kinda what I meant when I said unwarranted amount of hate. I'm with Jip on this one 😕

And for the record Biass, I do appreciate the work and effort you and others in this community put in. Its just that sometimes from the other end it is not always apparent. More so in threads like this it looks like there is overwhelming support for a thing, and it feels like we are shouting into the wind and nothing will get done. I don't know how much of this is us being unreasonable, or you guys needing a better PR team, but I think that's a problem that won't go away any time soon without some work at fixing it.

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Just some dev updates. We (as in mostly @Sheikah) have worked out the basics of how we need to change the database schema and have some code in the works.

Remember that TMM was created primarily in the spirit of facilitating casual play and enticing new players to stick around, so it is my hope that once we have the code changes in place, we can throw up a casual/unrated/global rating queue that incorporates some random maps. Regardless of where the discussion on competitive play goes, I think this is a valuable addition to the matchmaker.

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i think it is good,gen map should be appended the ladder.It can avoid the player cause the gap to map familiarity,we need to make myself bo.

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I think it will be more test a player and the basis of the random strain capacity

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@Jip said in About Neroxis map generator...:

It shows quite a lack of respect to start such a discussion.

I am completely willing to have a cordial debate with anyone and start off giving them respect. But that does not mean they will always deserve to retain that respect, completely irrespective of their repeated conduct and demeanor.

For an example, try reading through the posts ftx made on the "increase t3 mex cost" balance post. (Even just the ones that haven't been deleted.)

After a certain number of attempts at a civil discussion, you realize it is pointless to keep trying.

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@Askaholic said in About Neroxis map generator...:

we can throw up a casual/unrated/global rating queue that incorporates some random maps

Why an entirely new ladder and pool? Genuine question, don't wanna sound unappreciative. It's really great to hear this is being worked on and not just shutting down a good idea just because it's work for you btw, thank you and thanks @Sheikah so much for doing this - this idea about creating a whole new queue seems unnecessary on first glance to me.

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I guess to try to ease tensions? I also think it being directly in the current ladder pool is fine.